Undeeterred

Good lord, don't start saying things like that. We'll end up with another 23 page thread...

I was absolutely astonished that this could turn into a double page spread in the Hun. I mean, seriously. Don't they have Olympics to watch or something? Go take photos of crying swimmers or something.

Yeah, I thought that taking an 'opt-out approach' (ie, I'll publish this unless you get back to me quick smart) over an 'opt-in' approach might get you into trouble in a lot of quarters...

I wonder whether, if we did lose our draft picks, Mark Neeld would actually break down and cry. I would.

Starting to become an opporunity for every person in the football world who has a gripe with Melbourne to have a ping. Disgraceful behaviour from a former President - can you imagine John Elliott coming out and spilling the beans like that?

Has to be worse than that - didn't he just get in a punch up or something? I reckon that is already out there.

Another good word I was trying to think of.

Spare us the eternal hand wringing, WYL.

And then Lance Whitnall kicked a point from 20m directly in front. What could we possibly do???? We couldn't possibly have tried harder, they just did it better.

Clearly you haven't been reading Demonland for long...

Probably because he was a washed up has been, is my guess WYL.

Tossers of the highest order, the lot of them. Except maybe Roos.

True, true. But it would be a big one...

And if it panned out like that, Collingwood and Essendon in week 1 would be huge.

So many games that shape this in the final few rounds. After going through the ladder predictor on the AFL website, I came up with: Sydney Adelaide Hawthorn West Coast Collingwood Geelong North Essendon ------------------ St Kilda Freo Carlton Richmond ...... But, this is based on: Rd 19 Haw v Geel - Haw Ade v Ess - Ade Rd 20 WCE v Geel - WCE Ess v Nth - Nth Sydney v Collingwood (in Syd) - Syd Rd 21 Gee v St K - Gee Ess v Coll - Coll Rd 22 Syd v Haw - Syd WCE v Coll - WCE Rd 23 Haw v WCE - Haw Gee v Syd - Gee St K v Carl - St K A few of those go the other way and things could look very different. Adelaide are a monty for top 4, and probably top 2, with Melbourne and Brisbane away and Gold Coast, Freo and Essendon at home.

That post was made pre-merge, when ANOTHER new 'who should go' thread was started. And more new ones, on the same topic ad nauseum, are tiresome.

These threads are becoming incredibly tiresome.

Great, now that tonatopia is here, we have critical mass for a true Neeld bashing thread to get rolling.

You can't tackle somebody from 3 metres behind them.

I'm not saying we wouldn't be worse without Jones, because we clearly would have been. What I'm saying is there is no point saying 'what if'. Yes, it could have been worse. But if we had a full team in, it could also have been better.

I didn't get to see any of today's game, but this argument is fallacious. I mean, imagine if Clark, Watts, Jurrah and Jamar did (and I'm sure there are others...)

I love the irony of this thread (and I'm not immune!), when many of us are banging on about how T Cloke should pull on a Melbourne jumper in return for bucketloads of cash.

Get Jones and Howe signed up, then put the cue in the rack until we sort ourselves out towards the end of the year, is my view...

OD, I mentioned switching, not trades, and I'm aware of Clokes free agent status. All I was thinking about was when players moved between the two teams... Excellent get! That too. Interesting.

Not that I want this to happen, but I reckon he will be better off hiding out in Freo. Collingwood supporters would probably lynch him if he played for Carlton. I have no idea of the right answer to this, but when is the last time a really star player switched between Carlton and Collingwood? I bet it doesn't happen often...