Pennant St Dee

Yep it can be a win win for both clubs

Not a good year for me Start 10-0 and finish 16-8 1 debutant Out in straight sets I’m not a doom and gloom type and there are reasons for how it ended, but to me Preliminary final after 10-0 is a pass mark and we failed to achieve that Our season very much mirrored Eagles 2007 season

Salem started really well against Sydney showing what he can do, but his impact diminished once they put Clarke on him as a tagger

Totally agree Old Dee, he’s been really good. As @dazzledavey36 says I’d save whatever we get for Jacko to fill other needs as opposed to giving up a lot to get Grundy

Yep part of it it is also the players having faith in the system and it being second nature

Have a look at Sydney he’s the architect of their ball movement, he had the Crows playing fast high tempo footy off rebound and I saw him at WAFL level do the exact same with the teams he coached

Yep but as I said in other posts, the change has started but we’re not consistent with it and when we’re under pressure we go back to what we know. The footage is there from round 15 onwards and it was evident in the first quarter last night

I hate to break it to you but we ain’t the Hawks of 13-15 , sure what happened them after 08, missed finals Cats of 08 lost 2 games all year, but also had finals heartbreak in 04 and 05 before having a full review after a poor 06 Forget the media these things are bloody hard to win. We had a good run with injuries last year and not as good this year. I recall how good we were in 98 but the old finals system and a Jeff White injury at the wrong time hurt us in before last year was what I thought was our best chance at a flag

If I could have my pick for 1 assistant coach, it’s Don Pyke. What he does with speed of ball movement would be sensational for us

Pete Shanahan lives in Perth now, but he’s from that neck of the woods

Gawn and Jackson are both ruckman Weid would be our 2nd tall and pinch hitter in the ruck JVR would be the third tall. Max couldn’t have played 90%ruck last night and Freo don’t bomb the ball in they come in quick once they play plenty of lateral footy in their back half to spread the oval and get separation from their forwards looking for the 1v1 and when the ball hits the deck they pounce with Walters, Frederick, Switzkowski, the resting mid etc. Lobb and Darcy when resting are the pack braking forwards for Freo, JVR is not ready to do that at AFL level yet

It’s pathetic, look at my responses twice and other responses, with regards to other clubs in finals and our premiership drought it’s a stat which means nothing and if you can’t see that well, you’re beyond help It”s like saying Freo have a better finals record at Optus than Melbourne 1 final - 1 win 3 finals- 2 wins and a premiership

But in their defence, when he eventually leaves the club they can say they were right all along and he wasn’t the right guy🤣🤣🤣

Are you from up that way DD, good mate of mine comes from Corowa, his mum still lives up there

Weird has shown plenty the last couple of games as a ruck forward. Be interested to see him played in that role for the pre season and into next. Just might be his future role at AFL level. Couldn’t play him, Tmac and Brown in the same forward line but you could play him Tmac and JVR who has a lot more mobility and much better below his knees

It wasn’t a smart Alec comment it was intended to strike a nerve and it did. Go and have a good look at yourself and your post it’s seriously one of the most pathetic threads ever. I’m sure St Kilda, GWS, Dogs, Bombers, Carlton, Suns, Freo and North are all patting themselves on the back because they are ahead of us in this stat. I know you’re still dirty you missed being there last year but FFS, take some heart in knowing being slightly underdone or off looks 100 times worse than it actually is The dream for this year is over but we aren’t falling off the cliff

Before anybody says it This is VFL, no matter what JVR does today, it’s no guarantee that he would have brought that to AFL, games quicker, defenders are better and our delivery is not great at AFL level. Dont blow a gasket thinking about what if He will continue to grow and be great for us moving forward

Sometimes you have to rob Peter to pay Paul. We moved Petty forward to take contested grabs or bring the ball to ground. We pushed one up to the back of contested stoppages, which exposed Lever to being accountable. It was real roll the dice stuff, we can point to Petty kicking a goal and creating another but we can’t ignore it creates issues the other way especially to the chaos kick from clearances. The coaches would have been aware of the risks

6. Petty 5. Trac 4. Langdon 3. Harmes 2. Nibbler 1. Oliver

Learn from it and don’t do it, seriously it’s absolutely cringeworthy (not just directed at you) to read posts clearly made solely based on emotion and frustration

Id add Jackson, Fritta and Kozzie to that list

Holy F$@&, I thought I had seen it all, but no now is another WTF moment. But this stat beggars belief and the fact an explanation was asked for as to why, is just icing on the cake There are people who live with doom and gloom. They have fleeting moments of happiness but they are waiting for the bad times to return so much they never really enjoy the moment. Carlton just want to get back to finals St Kilda just want consistency over two seasons Bulldogs just want to back up after reaching a GF Freo - want desperately to win their first Premiership Essendon just want to try and win 1 final North made back to back Prelims in 14 and 15, helped a lot GWS couldn’t win a flag when they had the best list in the competition between 15 and 19 Gold Coast would like to have a sniff of finals with 4 games left in a season, let alone have finals consistency Crows haven’t been close since 17 Port look great for a few years in home and away then fell away despite the massive Covid advantage- Brisbane ditto Cats taken a big step forward this season after being September failures for so long West Coast a long way off long rebuild ahead Sydney living in the moment Pies everything going their way in the close ones, not much different to Richmond but they lost the close ones This thread is going to take some beating to be the worst thread on demonland ever

Well Things are never as good as they seem (Rd 1-10) and things are never as bad as they seem(last night) - there’s venting but really some of the posts are just crazy A coach once told me, after a defeat don’t address the players for too long, short sharp and succinct otherwise you will say something out of emotion you later regret. It meant little to me at the time, but when I became a coach I had that moment, which on reflection was really poor and a light bulb moment and it’s impossible sometimes to get the moment back. I would recommend that to several on here, don’t think we all don’t hurt after a loss and see issues. I hate posters who get personal with players. After turning the phone off after last night’s loss, I have calmed down and reflected on what no doubt is a poor end to the season. It’s not wasted, they never are you learn something from them good and bad. Hawthorn started to expose a blueprint and others went to work opening up more cracks. We backed ourselves and stuck for a long time with what we knew. When we tried to change, with quicker ball movement and taking on the 45 in the corridor it wasn’t natural and often saw us getting hurt on turnover either by lack of confidence in not hitting the kick the minute you see it or by running into a wall and trying to handball our way through it. Watch vision from the last 7 games players have the ball there’s a 45 kick on in the corridor the player looks hesitates as if it goes against what we know and then tries the kick or passes on responsibility to a teammate, the moment is lost and you over handball or bomb it in. The pressure up the ground isn’t at last year’s level and we get burnt on the way back I have no doubt the players were told and coached to alternate how we play, but it needs a lot of work, a full pre season and more. When you’re under pressure you go back to what you know muscle memory and what has worked previously. The tweaks to the plan have started but a lot of work to go. Tmac is vital as the lead up the ground creating channels for Brown to lead into. Brown is not a contested mark never has been and has been asked to do what’s not natural for him. I’m not sure JVR is ready, another pre season will be massive VFL and AFL gap is huge, we could roll the dice but list management is always ticking over and player development isn’t always necessarily occurring at AFL level. You come in when the time is right. Fitness, again the Burgess myth, don’t get me wrong he’s probably the best in the business but we’re comparing apples with oranges between last year and this. A lot of our injuries were impact related and we were so banged up towards the end we just couldn’t run out games. Last season outside of Tomlinson almost everything went right injury wise. When Trac went public about not taking a proper break at the end of last season alarm bells went off at the time, the season is long and you need that time to freshen up, he wants to be the best he can but needs to listen to his body and rest up Attitude - injuries had an impact but I reckon we lost that manic hunger to just do whatever it took. Selfless acts weren’t as prevalent and our pressure in the midfield and up forward wasn’t the same as last year. So many times we gave up late goals in quarters which hurt us It’s one thing to say after winning a flag, we want to do this back at our home, but it’s another to actually do everything you can to ensure it happens. Think Rayners spoil last night in the last quarter the kick into the corridor wasn’t immediate, then we take the kick and Rayner decides I’m putting pressure on Salem to at least prevent him playing on quickly. Salem waits for the kick, doesn’t attack it in the air and Rayner who is desperate gets to the ball first. That was us last season you make your own luck and by not being ruthless this year we didn’t put teams or games away and gave teams a sniff For me the biggest need considering the change in style they started to try and implement is another elite kick off half back. Salem got sat on and there were no other options. Jackson isn’t a dud as emotional posters are labelling him, he’s hampered but going to be a good player but he’s the opportunity to play hardball. Two first rounders would be great but Hayden Young is the asking price it changes things big time and you just dig your heels in because you have to give something to get something. Simon and co along with the playing group need to review, reflect, rest and recharge. Come back hungry, change things up a bit, not massively but just have a few more arrows to fire. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water, but don’t pull the trigger to late Goody it’s part of evolving as a coach Good luck to Casey boys today. Watch the AFL finals now with envy, the dog will certainly be calmer now when I’m watching

Goody didn’t win us the flag, didn’t you know that was all down to Yze and Choco. Now that things aren’t running as smoothly as last September it’s all down to Goody

Oh ffs, give it a rest, Spargo was good last week his delivery and decision making was fine. All you do every time you call for Spargo to be dropped is confirm your footy IQ is limited