Jaded No More

Poor Rohan. All the best to him and his family. The club has really been hit hard by cancer this year. Terrible stuff!

Read what I wrote about him wanting out. He has no grounds for despair, none! He has a long way to go before he breaks even with our club.

Come on, even you can't be that dumb! 3 goals against Richmond tomorrow could be the difference between Scully and no Scully, so just give it a rest. It actually says a lot about how far he's come that we are now trying to keep him out of the team for tanking reasons! Edit: if he asked for a trade I'd show him the door. For 5 years we stood by as he wasted our time with self-destructive behaviour, and gave us nothing on the field. He owes us plenty, because many other clubs would have thrown him out on his arse by now. He should be thankful that he still has a career, cop his 'punishment' for being a tool and getting himself suspended and move on. I have no doubt he will (whether you do as well, is another matter).

It seems that Mark Jamar is taking the whole 'player' title very seriously :D

Oh no, we don't need milestone games to give the boys extra incentive to win. Keep him until the Freo game thanks. Good point about the forward line. The key though is to make sure we don't tag Cousins, Deledio or Cotchin so we give their forward the best possible supply.

Glad that Grimes' injury is not serious and that he is back in the team... but on the other hand, how the hell do we plan to lose with that backline?! Bench will probably be: Whelan, Moloney, Morton and Sylvia Bench should be: Spencer, Whelan, Valenti and Jetta This is going to be one ugly game!

Firstly, yes the specs are the technical illustrations that get sent to the manufacturers, so what you see is what you get. When I did the singlets I had the Bonds ribbed cotton singlets in mind, for the men, but wanted something more fitted (cotton-elastane) for the females. I see what you're saying about those Singha singlets though. I can easily manipulate the shape of the female singlets to a less for fitting one, although you don't want such large armholes because that really limits where you'd be able to wear them to, and almost forces you to layer them. Which could be the look you're going for, but in a limited range you need to have multi-functional items to bump up your volume. That Singha style, is very limiting for females and I can only really see younger females buying them. But I will make the singlet let fitted. Also I really want to stay away from making things that look similar to our Reebok range. I know Reebok does make a performance style singlet that is quite similar to the Singha design, so I gotta be careful. We can't have multiple ranges take sales off one another. Any males (who can bloody see those stupid pictures :angry: ) not liking the male singlet and want thinner shoulders and larger armholes? The reason I put a bream on the beanie is because I know that when I sit in the rain, a bream is really useful for keeping the water out of your face. I have one of those 'cap' beanies and they are great if you don't sit undercover. I've also done the very plain knitted unisex beanie that sort of works for everyone, although I'm thinking I'll get rid of the double fold and just got for more plain shapes. Can I ask what specifically you don't like about the unisex headgear? Got a specific design in mind? I'm sorry that the stupid pictures still won't work for some of you, although they should work if you are viewing the site in Firefox. I tried to view them on a computer at uni (when I stupidly turned up 30 minutes early to a lecture ), and they worked with Firefox but not with IE. Hopefully Demonland's technical support (ie- resident nerd) will help me figure out this mystery soon :D

Are you using Firefox, because I just tried using Internet Explorer and the pictures didn't come up.

Ok, the elastic waist goes. To be honest I wouldn't wear a guernsey no matter how it was cut, but then I don't wear any Melbourne apparel to games apart from my scarf and I think that guernsies by nature are ugly and masculine and look ordinary on women. If you were going to make it flattering and appealing to women, you'd have to radically change it, in which case it probably won't really be classified as a guernsey anymore. Also, since they are made from 100% polyester, it would be pretty hard to put shape into them, since darts would pucker. Someone like Reebok is unlikely to invest in that sort of item because it won't generate a large enough sale volume. Just to give you an example, last year after the Hawks won their flag, their apparel sponsor put out a special premiership guernsey, at substantial costs (they wanted to rush production which made it even more expensive). They did that because they forecasted huge sales figures. They ended up selling around 12,000 units, which is more than I'd say Melbourne sells in a four year period. So while there are millions of possibilities here, you gotta look at financial viability first and foremost.

Honestly Dan, why the f' would we draft someone with our first pick who resembles Chris Johnson?

OK so I've switched the image host and uploaded the pictures again. Please let me know if it's working now! The collection is geared at casual wear, lifestyle fashion if you will. A female jumper is not a bad idea, but that's something Reebok should be doing, since they do all of our performance wear. I'm not gonna go down the road of performance apparel because the club has a sponsorship deal tied up in that, and there is no way I would want to do anything that would [censored] our sponsors off. I see what you're saying. The elastic at the bottom gives the garment better strength and better dimensional stability, but I'm happy to get rid of it and go for a looser fit. Is anyone else anti elasticated waists?

It is to me as well, but is our need to see premiership success the essence of the MFC's existence? Existential debates never end well...

No luck with the link either??

Hmmm, I can see them fine... Use this link: http://profile.imageshack.us/user/mfccollections/images (This is as far as my tech knowledge extends, so lets hope it works )

Hello all, Thanks again for everyone who took part in the initial survey, it was very helpful to kick start the collection. Over the past few days I've put together the basic specs for the garments that were voted most popular by you and I'm posting them here to get some input once again. Before you view and comment, please keep the following in mind: 1- At this stage the specs are just that; flat, boring colourless drawings (kind of like how the next 5 games are going to be). Colours, graphics and logos will be arriving shortly 2- I kept most of the garments very simple for a couple of reasons. Firstly to keep the costs down. Keep in mind that every extra detail and pattern piece, adds significant costs to every garment. Secondly, I've chosen classic shapes as opposed to trend-based ones, because it would be a financial disaster if the club had to re-cut shapes each season, or worse, was left with redundant stock. Since the stock turn for this type of merchandise isn't huge, it's important to keep the pieces basic, where designs (rather than garment shapes) can be altered and fixed cyclically. 3- Most of the items are made using the same basic block (or shape if you will). Again this is done for financial reasons, as the less blocks you use during production, the less you spend on patterns and cutting. All good things to keep costs low and margins high. 4- Both the male and female outerwear pieces have removable hoods, while the male zipped hoodie is reversible Each item has a code, so if you want to comment about a particular piece, note down the item code so that I can follow. Any comments would be great, especially in terms of shapes and trims that you may want to see (e.g.- pockets). Again I'll leave this thread open for a short(ish) period of time, before locking it and moving onto the colours and graphics. Happy criticizing :D Edit: OK so the image website I usually use was down before. I've now switched all the images so they should work. Please let me know if you still can't view them. My apologies!

If it was just sport than we wouldn't have salary caps, multi-million dollar TV rights, intense media coverage, sponsorships, government assistance and the list goes on. People wouldn't fork out hundreds of dollars to be part of a this business, and everyone would be on a level playing field. It isn't just a sport, that's the point. It's playing sport within a formalised structured organisation, where the bottom line is as much about money as it is about success. That's why North Melbourne, one of the most successful Victorian teams of recent times, is under threat, while Freo isn't. Because having cash flow, making profit and sustaining a competitive advantage off the field, is as big a part of being successful, as winning. Of course without money and resources, you're going to struggle to win a premiership, but winning a premiership could inject money and resources into the club. It's a vicious cycle, and no matter how you look at it, success and money are tied together.

I chose 'C' because I think that the essence of a football club's existence is to serve it's members/shareholders, just like any other public organisation. While for me a premiership is the be all and end, meaning that I support and love this club because I (stupidly or otherwise) believe that one day we'll win a premiership. However there are many members who have supported this club through many many years of no success (yourself included H), and many who will continue to support this club through failure, so long as a premiership was not an impossible goal. So while the club should always aim for success, success is not simply measured by premierships, particularly as they are so hard to attain. Is North Melbourne a successful club? Is Collingwood? Should Freo cease to exist? (yes, but that's a separate issue ) The essence of a club's existence lies in serving its supporters and the AFL. So long as both are happy, the club will continue to exist. Having said that, I want a goddamn premiership and I want it NOW! :D Edit: the above applies only if you view AFL clubs as businesses. If you view AFL and AFL clubs as a less tangible thing, perhaps a community, a society or a form of religion, than obviously the above views change.

Agreed. The goal kicking is the least of his problems. It's the positioning, the lack of smarts, the inability to read the play etc... etc... that makes him a passable VFL player and one that is very very unlikely to make it in the AFL. That his kicking skills are poor is the cherry on top of the salty cake.

Thank you all for your participation. I'm going to lock this thread now, because I think I've gathered a good volume of responses and I have a fair idea of what people want. Look out for another thread in the next day or two with all of the initial garment designs, where you can have your say again. Cheers!

Great replacement for Junior.

Ummm maybe you shouldn't shoot the messenger.... http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsart...60/default.aspx

I didn't sit there and yell "Go Sydney" at the TV, but I was incredibly nervous when there was just two goals in it. When Sydney kicked a goal to open the lead to 3, I felt a sense of relief and calmness. It's a horrible feeling, and I hate that I couldn't barrack for us to bring the game home, or that I didn't care when Miller and Newton missed numerous goals (when normally I would be furious), but the way I see it, what's 5 more weeks of misery when we've been through so many already?! If we get through the next 2 weeks without a victory, I'll be cheering loud and proud in the remaining three matches, knowing that realistically we can only win one. If we lose to Freo (highly unlikely unless we pull a super tank), I hope we go all out and beat the scum from Carlton!

Played a tagging role on Goodes and definitely had his measure. Very good team job from Cale today, and a great learning experience.

The perfect thing to put me to sleep, cheers. God Sydney is a boring team! Edit: I was waiting for Jurrah's mid-air one-handed grab and goal. Feel free to burn the tape now Channel 7.