Jaded No More

Derrr, I did know that. No idea why I wrote Richmond. Argument remains though, Saints are in crap form and Hawthorn are having a good season. Us and North are equally average.

With Casey form in mind Out: Bail (fail), Garland (double fail), Dunn (idiotic act), Wonna (to Jenny Craig) In: Rivers (self explanatory if fit), McKenzie (FTW!), Bate, Nicholson/Evans/Blease (as sub, and to give us something to get excited about)

Ummm seriously? Where are Hawthorn in terms of development and where are we? Where is our Luke Hodge, Franklin, Rioli, Mitchell, Roughead, Burgoyne, and so on and so forth? Oh and Hawthorn vs Saints is a far more one sided game than Melbourne vs North Melbourne on current form of all teams. So please stop making shizen comparisons. Also, Hawthorn lost 2 big men today, they didn't lose run through the middle, or a key rebounding defender.

LOL @ Luke Ball. Tapscott > Ball

Does anyone here actually understand the problem with throwing just any random player into the ruck? Firstly, you give away lots of free kicks, which absolutely kill you. Secondly, you risk serious injury if you don't know what you are doing in there. And finally, Dunn had to go down back to cover for the loss of Garland (and yes he did a shite job and let's never talk about it again), so for those who wanted Dunn to ruck, are you suggesting we should have put Newton down back? Because given the injuries we had, especially once Martin slowed down with his knee, we had no choice but to throw someone in there who could at least compete for size or something. Remember the game wasn't actually gone until about halfway through the last quarter. We were only a few goals down at 3/4 time. And it makes no difference if Newton was at FF or goddamn Wayne Carey, if we were uncompetitive through the middle the ball was never going to make it into the forwardline anyway, giving Newton no chance at all.

Pathetic comment from an idiot who doesn't understand the game. Martin has been playing footy for something like 4 or 5 years only. He was a mature age recruit and in his short career has played down back, up forward and now in the ruck. He was thrown into a first ruck role under extreme pressure and came up against a genuinely good ruckman and he held his own. He also won his fair share of clearances. He has 6 clearances to be exact, second highest in the team behind Gysberts who had 7 (Moloney had 5). He was also in the top 3 for tackling yesterday. That is despite hurting his ribs in the VFL last week and copping a knee injury during the game yesterday. It disgusts me that people stick the boot in when a player clearly works extremely hard and tries his best, when so many of his teammates didn't even do that. Martin ran all day, with very little help, and you bemoan his lack of taps to advantage. Do you even know how hard it is to master that? It took Jamar 7 years! Martin has played about 7 games in the ruck at AFL level. FFS!

Fine, he's going, maybe he's already signed. What's the point of going on and on about it? If he wants to leave, good luck to him and I hope he enjoys a long unsuccessful career in that hell hole with a coach straight out of the looney bin. Money won't buy him success. Can we just move on until we have confirmation?

JORDIE! good news at last. Our midfield could not be crying out for this man anymore right now. Bate can replace Dunn next week. Would love to know how Gawn, McDonald, Blease, Morton and Strauss played, because I'm going to assume that any other changes will be made from these guys.

But I'd rather be depressed dammit!

This is just what this already clinically depressed board needs, another Tom Scully conspiracy thread.

I care about one thing and one thing only... The JMac getting through the whole match without his groin exploding, thus pushing his case for selection next week. Amen

Lifetime ban and possible jail stint. We have to eradicte these criminals out of our game. P.S.- what incident are we talking about?

And he just as often disappears when the heat is on. He was OK today, but he is no captain. There is so much more to captaincy than just your on field heroics. You have to represent your club at all times. Think about Sylvia and where he has been, and now work out why he ain't no captaincy material. Beamer is, to a lesser extent, in the same boat.

The only reason Newton is even on our list is to play that second backup ruck role. He is so much better than Dunn in the ruck it's not even funny. If you're gonna play Dunn in the ruck you may as well play Jurrah in there. Having said that, he is not a ruckman, and even though he started well, he made so many dumb decisions today that it left me with no doubt as to why I can't see any future for him.

See my comment above.

I don't care if a player is soft, that is not my problem. I care if a player is a cheater, and a diver. I also hate hate hate when Dunn tries to milk frees. It goes against what this game is about.

Newton was always going to give Martin a rest by rucking. It made sense. Then Martin got hurt and was struggling so they took him out of the circle, and rightfully so. A knock to the knee and then another knock could mean very bad things. Better not to risk it when the game was already lost.

Can't see us winning anything until Jamar is back. The end.

Sorry but Dangerfield goes hard. Forget what happened last week, it wasn't his fault that the MRP are a bunch of morons. Dangerfield is an excellent player, with a very soft head. He doesn't dive and he doesn't cheat his way to possessions. Harvey just hangs out the back, taking cheap shots at his tagger, and as soon as his tagger touches him he is down like he's been shot. He is a disgrace.

I'm shocked that the umpires continue to reward Harvey for being such a diving dog. Hard to think of an AFL player I respect less, despite him being an excellent player in general.

As a Gysberts fan I'm really disappointed that you'd pick on a player with less than 10 games experience who has sensational hands in close and goes in extremely hard, despite weighing less than a toothpick. Out: Bail , Dunn (susp.), Aussie (fitness is horrible) In: McKenzie (RUSH him in), TBC depending on Casey performances I'm hoping Garland gets up. He did play more than a quarter after the injury, so possibly just badly twisted and bruised and will be OK. I nearly shat myself when he hobbled off pointing to his foot. Given the week we've had I kept thinking that maybe he re-injured the foot. Oh the horror! IMO we'll keep changes to a minimum given we are already struggling with so many injuries. Jetta was good and hard at the contest, and we have to keep giving Maric some more chances when no one else is really pressing for selection. Fingers crossed McKenzie is half fit. I'd bring him in and sub him off if he gets tired. FFS we need to give Moloney some help!

I'm really surprised by the negative comments towards Martin. He competed extremely well, especially in the first quarter, until he got a knock to the knee that really slowed him down. He played against one the better ruckman in the competition and held his own. I thought he played very well and did a great job trying to curb the influence of Goldstein around the ground, with virtually no help. And again, his disposal was good, he showed excellent athleticism and given what he was up against, he deserves a lot of praise IMO. Btw, the umpiring in the ruck today was f'ing woeful. Umpire appreciation week? More like shove it up your arse umpire week Gotta agree with that one. The idiots around me not only failed to cheer, but were angry that others were cheering. WTF, stay home your fair weather wankers. Oh and to the North supporter who gave me crap all game only to leave 20 minutes before the siren, you are the reason why North is going under, because you won't even stay and cheer your boys when they win. Pathetic!

Agreed, he is an absolute gun and set up nearly all of our meaningful attacks from half back. How insanely good was his disposal today?! I LOVE HIM! If he gets injured like the rest of the list I'll just about call it quits on this season.

Come on now, captains rarely get dropped, and Green is a high quality player. Tell me who we have in the VFL who is a better option? Green has plenty of credits in the bank, and Bailey will continue to persist with him, as would every other coach. Remember that the boys voted Green into the leadership group and on face value I understand completely why the coaches and the board voted for Green to lead us. I understand why the fans want Moloney, but it's because he goes out and gets [censored] post game that he isn't captain. Maybe it's an isolated incident, but it still tells me that he doesn't have the right mindset to lead a club, because it's as much what you do off field as it what you do on field.

I don't get how you can give Jones 6 votes when he continuously turned it over and cost us dearly. Plus his tackling sucks. 6- Martin 5- Frawley (the most perfect kicking game I've seen in a while) 4- Davey 3- Jetta (underrated for his hardness) 2- Jurrah 1- Maric