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Hawthorn in Tasmania And Richmond have in Cairns until not so long ago

RJ is 66

Yes, I've seen the Ess Hanger and Western Oval facilities. Also I've been to the Arden St set up a number of times: they have a link with my family's primary school. I'm a novice at these kind of visions, as we all probably are. But i believe we could keep Goschs for drills and match sims and use the grass pitches nearby for rehab, sprints, etc (as we currently do). The Tan is nearby for running. For me it's the land and building/s that are needed. Of course, this requires major funding through partnernerships, as you mention. I have no inside info, but I doubt PJs Yarra Park plan had much detail or any real funding behind it. IMO it was always pie in the sky, given that no gov't supported it and the park has protection overlays Can't remember who on here doctored the maps images superimposing the Magpies Holden Centre buildings next to Goschs, but it seemed reasonable and not a big impact on the parkland.

Exactly right Mr Old. IMO members would probably prefer a dedicated club members bar at the G during home games, bit like the Betty Cuthbert bar, level 2 in the northern stand. A privately run coffee cart at training would be enough, given it's usually a morning thing

The answer for 99 out of 100 supporters is never. Too hard to get to. Plus, the MCC don't offer a bar or cafe at the G during the week because it would affect their contract with Spotless. The priority is to get a good training ground, good indoor facilities and an admin base that are reasonably close together. My guess is that if we were to build the latter two near Goschs, the ground itself wouldn't be an issue. Eg. the triangle of land near the tollway off ramp or towards Olympic Blvd

Welcome back Bub

Ah yes, look who's back... It's Range Rover!

The VFL write up on the AFL web site said he dominated and had 40 something hit outs???

You are indeed a realist. This kind of nuanced thought has no place here!!! ??

So where's your thread on our terrible kicking for goal? Or the thread on spilled easy marks inside 50? Or the thread on our poor delivery i50? I would've thought that to be more thread worthy than continually getting stuck into one player. You stated no one was blaming any loss on Omac and I provided a clear example of a poster who did. Threads that incite trolling against a single player are by far the worst part of Demonland.

Dazzle, with all due respect, this kind of crapp is really pathetic. Whilst Omac has not had a great year and is very low in confidence, he is not the main reason we lost last night or any other game this year. He looked completely different in 2018, had more good games than poor. Something has changed. I'd rather the club find out what is causing this and fix it. We've burned the development of too many players in the past.

The fact remains they won a flag from Goschs and we got to a prelim training there. Must be an outstanding achievement given how terrible posters are painting it. Whilst it would be great to have all the riches of Collingwood and train on a stadium-like oval, pointing the finger at Goschs is an excuse IMO. Even if we trained on the G, it's still the same personnel, same coaches, same drills, blah, blah.

And our 1 goal 8 b had nothing to do with it. Sheesh!

Yet Collingwood won a flag training from Goschs. Go figure...

Irony much?

Mere 'alternative facts' DD. How very dare you! ?

Yet you never elaborate with hard facts or nuanced detail SWYL. It's always doom and gloom and finger pointing, and then referencing 50+ years since our last flag, as if the players and coaches could care less about then. Tell me... Have our finances deteriorated in the 6 months since PJ left? No. Have we lost significant personnel within the club? No. Do you hold GP responsible for our on field results? For our amazingly poor run of injuries? Or for the run of player operations and interupted preseasons over summer? Probably. Do you blame GP for Hogan leaving and the recruitment of May? Probably, despite it being before his tenure. Is it GP's fault that PJ's Yarra Park plan was never likely to take off, especially given the park has significant protective overlays, no political party supported it and the vocal residents group hated it? No. Whilst our on field results have been disappointing this year, our list is still strong (not complete but strong), our membership is at record numbers, we are getting good tv coverage and our sponsorship levels are strong. This is not "stumbling at every step", as you misleadingly claim. Our injury list is shrinking, good players are coming back and we are about 2 weeks from fielding our best side this year. I hold hopes of winning about 7 more games this year and seeing us have a real crack in 2020. Not dissimilar to the lead up of the Dogs/Tigers recent successes. May not happen like this, but a first round pick, chase a key forward lump, snaffle a FA mid and things could very quickly turn around again. I'm glass half full (which doesn't equate to being easily pleased), as opposed to being outraged at every setback. And this is elaborating.

More SWYL hyperbole and outrage

This ?

At least we wont have to put up with Razer Ray tonight making the game all about himself

I believe Nate's wife was close to her as well

Razer loves to create a stir about himself by doing that. Craves the attention. Remember last week when he played one against us despite being 70m away? Had a [censored] eating grin on his face as he did it

No he didn't. If you're going to ramble in disagreement with another poster's reasonable point of view, at least get your facts right.

"Our main key man" became a running high half forward, a linkage player who has taken less and less contested marks over the last 3 years. Now averaging less than 1 per game this year and less than 1 goal per game this year But I agree we need a stable, key forward who can successfully take the no 1 key back. I'd still like to see Preuss play forward, whilst not a kpf and having limited ability, he would be a hand full for any backline to deal with. He'd probably take the no 1 back, leaving Tmac with no 2 and eventually Weid no 3 Perhaps they have a kpf in mind for next year. Regardless, our delivery forward has been so terrible this year, I reckon even Jeremy Cameron would struggle