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Hawthorn's new complex costs around $113 million.

Who cares it's a number only he's not dead, so there is no need to retire a number.

You agree with me then say I'm off tangent...lol

12 hours ago, Go Ds said:    I still can't get my head around why the kicking is so poor. It's so important that players who couldn't consistently kick well in junior games get drafted late or not at all .... at least I'd like to think so. Did we spend years taking players that can't kick or did our training sessions get so laughable post 2021 that players lost their kicking skills? It's baffling. That's because years ago kids were taught left and right foot, handball both sides, just look at how many players now struggle when forced on their non preferred side and players who get caught trying to get back on theipreferred d side, I hope they fix the hand positioning of JVR when the ball comes in at pace because he has cricketers hands palms open and elbows bent to far back let's hope so.

Well you know what they say.....

Can someone fill me in if we have a permanent forward line coach yet, as I believe Scarlett and Hawkinds are part-time?

To save people reporting here for the first couple of weeks in advance here is my training report, The boys look in better shape than last year. They were running harder than they had in last year's preseason. Recruits look bigger than I thought. Coaches were more engaging this year. Training the house down big year coming. Players have bulked up. End of report.

Lmfao, I know. I blame Goodwin in part for this; his last couple of years had the smell of when the players ruled the roost before Roos and Jackson got there, and behaviors were excused. But there must be more to this.

Grieving, he's a football player for Christ's sake not a family member or friend move on.

Should have changed it after 22..

Jesus, anyone should think Oliver died, get a life, football is a business, and these things happen. Oliver made his own bed to lie in, just hope he stays away from motorcycles....

Very simple, Jack Steele has very similar stats and more goals.

One would hope he stays away from motorbikes......

6 minutes ago, roy11 said:    You can get away with having contested game players in your midfield, but it needs to be balanced. He may not need to change too much at another club. His running patterns will change to be more attacking, that's today's game styles, as it is now opposition sides run off him, If that's all you think Oliver can do, why has King, as far as we know, want him to play a different role.

That's because of our game style, not what suited him. If anyone thinks he will go to another club and play the same way, they are wrong. Most stats are a load of [censored], full of cheap possessions. Then, take into account wasteful disposals, wrong decisions, and where he gets them; certainly not in the front half. That's running patterns, pure and simple. The same goes for Viney: if the game is not a contested game, scrimmage to scrimmage, he's a liability. Can Oliver change his role? The answer is yes, it just takes hard work.

58 goals from 2015 to 2025; is that a good stat for an elite midfielder? Stats are mostly a load of [censored]. People complained about Daicos not winning the Brownlow, but he couldn't win his own B&F. As I have said before, Oliver is one of the best below-the-knee players since Greg Williams, but he doesn't hurt you forward of the ball. Daicos has kicked 63 goals in four years now; if we could have a mix of both players into one, that would be a dream. Sometimes people need new challenges, and if he stays, he might become an even better player. If he wants to stay, all he has to say is 'I'm staying.' Full stop.

He's a ball hunter with poor footskills and decision maker and how do you know if he couldn't change roles?

13 hours ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:    Gees did you watch 2025? There were numerous times when Kozzi was the best for us in the middle, speed, break away, disposal, linking up . Yes I did and where did he do more damage on the ground as a mid or a forward 16 hours ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:    Gees did you watch 2025? There were numerous times when Kozzi was the best for us in the middle, speed, break away, disposal, linking up . Yes, and where does Kossie do the most damage, as a forward or a midfielder? While he has the pace, he doesn't have the endurance. He is an impact player. Yes, he can sometimes play in midfield, but he's not a full-time midfielder you take away a 40+ goal a year player to play in short bursts.

I should have said that if they can develop Oliver with more ball skills and running patterns and improve his football awareness, he will improve significantly, but if they don't, he will remain the same, and that is on Goodwin.

Kossie does more damage as a forward than as a midfielder until he is taught the craft, and I'm not sure that even then, if Oliver goes to another club and they develop him with more skill and running patterns, he will just stay at the same level. Goodwin has a lot to answer for there. This is going to be an interesting year.

Doesn't go well for Viney either because he's slower than Oliver and Trac with the same skills. People are now seeing what people have been saying for the last couple of years a one-paced, lack of skilled midfield.

I would have gone further, Ruckman are not allowed contact until the ball is thrown in from boundary throw-ins, and no grappling at centre bounces. It's a blight on the game.

Scott was outcoached especially in the second half, dangerfield, smith shutdown ball movement delivered with purpose and bringing in Neil for the second half instead of starting him a genuis move.

Food poisoning.?

It's an embarrassment to the game full stop.