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12 hours ago, MrFreeze said:   I think Lever comes straight in next week, he pushes Windsor out of the backline. I would also drop Sharp and Spargo. Any of Viney/Pickett/Langdon could fill the HF spots. Windsor can play a mix of HF or wing. In: Viney, Lever Out: Spargo, Sharp Would like to see Windsor back on the wing rather than play in the backline, with the swans down players courtesy of the tribunal and their form at the G. This is a gettable game if they bring the same effort as they brought against the lions.

Well that was a pleasant surprise and the boys should be happy with that result and would loved to have listened to Fagan talking to his group after the game when you play like millionaires when the game is on the line that's what you get, as for our players I enjoyed watching the difference some of the younger players, Lindsay, Langford, McVee, Windsor, Melksham who can dispose of the ball with a quick motion and decision making compare that with Gawn, May, McDonald etc who hold up the ball. It also showed up the skill level between the sides I still cannot understand how layers kick the ball so damm high when transferring or when there is a loose man who has to wait for it and it ends up holding the play up but overall it was a good second half and good to see them pushing to the end hope that is the standard from now on.

Oliver for Reid suits me.

What about 23?

Says all I need to know....

So you can't answer the question then that's ok thought it was a simple one apparently not.

Then you are looking at the game only as a supporter of the club only and not looking in general to see how other clubs play the game but I ask when you are watching the game what do you watch for?

Did we win the flags in those years did we must have missed them.

No, have said since 22 on this site and every year after that you could see the change and what sides are trying to do and how we were going about it.

Guess I can see into the future then as I could see the gameplan was not going to give us another premiership with this group with the same gameplan then, the decline was there to be seen so tell me where I was wrong....

29 minutes ago, Roost it far said:   That’s a great argument you got there, Champ. Well done CHAMP just keep wearing rose coloured glasses cannot wait for more excuses from you.

And if my auntie had balls she would have been my uncle would've could've should've and do you think our game style is a winner?

42 minutes ago, Roost it far said:   This theory is hogwash. Injuries cruelled us in 22 and 23. Sheesh in 23 you put Petty, Melksham and Gus in that side and we’re every chance 2 flags in the bag. Yes 24 and 25 were and are disappointing but we’re midway through transforming our list and game style. We’re miles from a basket case and whilst I don’t disagree FD changes are needed we’re on the right path. Remember we’ve also dealt with Oliver going off the rails, Petracca missing half of last year and losing Gus 5 years early. No club recovers from that overnight. Imagine taking Daicos, Pendlebury and Sidebottom out of the Pies' side in 23, do they win the Flag? Hell no, not even You clearly wear rose-colored glasses too often. I said after round 10 in 2022 that we would not win another the flag; the same in 2023 and 2024. Blind Freddy could see that, and stop using Gus as an excuse for the club, as unfortunately, Gus was always one concussion away from having to retire for his health. And If you cannot see how the game has changed since 2021, well, I guess that's your problem. As for the point about the Pies, one doesn't know, and we never will, if they would or wouldn't have won the flag, but they changed their style for that flag, and they have changed again, and good for them. We have had problems in the forward part of the game since 2022. Goodwin has said that for the last three and a bit years, so tell me what has changed since then that has improved the connection. As the game has changed, Oliver and Viney struggle when the game is played on the outside and not in a contested situation. Max unfortunately struggles when he plays against ruckmen who jump into him at the center bounce, which takes away an advantage. As I have said, Stevie Wonder and other posters could see the faults, except you, or you don't want to accept it. FIG905B1_NL.pdf

We screwed up after 21 the game was changing and we persistent with the 21 game style we bit ourselves in the 🍑🍑 the pies have changed again and adapted with their game style big changes are needed and a reset from the football department.

You sure

Damm simple, just run in straight over the man on the mark just kick it don't move on an arc.

Because you have to find another role for Oliver, the game has changed for teams. It is now a different game than in 2021, and if it is not played in a contested way, all Oliver does is chase his opponents' boots. Look at how the Hawks run for a lead at kick-ins. For example, in the first quarter, down the ground vision at a Dees' kick-in, Kossie could have peeled off to the right into open space, but the kick-in went to the left to a contest. When we transfer the ball, it's a stop-start motion; there's a lack of players who can kick low passes. The list goes on, and for God's sake, can someone adjust JVR's hand position when marking? He's not trying to catch a cricket ball.

The one thing why the past forwards kicked so well was they all kicked straight over the man on the mark not the hard really, the only reason they kick in an arc is to try and get extra distance with the ball.

While the win was good to see we only played the bottom side and only won by five goals so let's keep this in perspective now comes the hard part of the draw and that will determine what happens after that, I thought Viney did a good job on Reid overall Max was brilliant Turner should always be on the lead as a forward, Rivers should be banned from making any football decisions where he has to think Kossie is another one he is an instinct player, but the lack of forward craft is our Achilles heal but as the old saying goes you can only beat what's in front of you.

2 hours ago, Redleg said:   I am still pretty upbeat about this kid. Really looking forward to seeing him after a full pre season and the rest of this one developing at Casey. He might be our next smokie along with Sesto. I agree, he has a football brain, hard in the contest. What he needs is good development by the club, and that's the bit that is letting JVR, Turner and Luker down. You could also include Jefferson in that.

Not having a football background these days as the CEO is not a disadvantage as the role has changed. It is more commercial now, and the reality is CEOs carry out the board's direction and implementation of the agenda that the club sets, ie if the club wanted to sack a coach that would have to be done at the board level, not him alone, he must raise concerns and ideas to the board and it is up to them for approval or rejection. The club has appointed him, and it is up to the club to support him in all areas till he gets a handle on all parts of the operation. Good luck to him on being appointed.

The last part if that is why Carlton bought in Brian Cook to stop that interface.

18 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:   Coached Luker in development squads and played him at CHB a fair bit. Reads it well and always attacked the contest with intensity. When he played at CHF or FF always hit contests hard and really good with follow up efforts. Concerning about Jeffo as intensity is a difficult trait to ingrain within a player long-term if it’s not in their DNA I like Luker, and with some proper coaching, he could be something he has the first ingredient as a competitor a bit of c... in him he also has a good football brain but it will all come down to coaching the same with JVR and fixing his hand and arms position when the ball comes in hard and fast so he marks with one grab.

If and only if West Coast plays the way did against the Bombers we will get exposed on the outside as the Eagles will fling the ball outside and that's our Achilles heel midfield pace but if the Eagles play like Freo did get sucked into a scrap well that will favour us, will interesting to see if their ruckman will jump into Max to nullify him at centre bounces.

I'm sure people don't look at the game in how in unfolds if Jesus was there he wouldn't get a touch the delivery its rabble their whole half was complete rubbish and a circus.