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Re the enquiry about Strauss. James Strauss: Straussy was good. He was an emergency for round one and didnt play last week. So James was a little bit rusty, but still did a good job. This kid has obviously got something and the coaches like him. But we can't take too much from this assessment. One Dees fan who went to the game said the backline, including Strauss, was impassable for a good stretch of the 2nd half. I hope he can make it because we need good kicking skills to become an expectation, not a bonus. .

Quotes from Melbourne website: "Jordan Gysberts: Jordan had 14 clearances and 30 touches and was outstanding. He was really good around the stoppages and he used the ball well to set up the game. Jordan was the architect behind the game." Tom McDonald: Tom took six marks and had eight spoils, so he defended really well. He kicked and used the ball well. Tom rebounded strongly. Austin Wonaeamirri: I played Aussie as a midfielder and he had seven clearances up until three quarter-time. He finished with nine for the match. He showed a different type of fitness, which was good. Aussie is a smart player and it was the best game I’ve seen him play for Casey - from a consistency perspective. It was a really big game from Aussie. Sam Blease: Sammy started a little bit slow. I had him on Shannon Byrnes, who had five touches in the first 10 minutes. I then moved Sammy off him and spoke to him about my expectations of him and then he was very good. He started to play tighter - defending first and then attacking. Sammy showed plenty of run - some players looked slow around him, which is quite amazing. He got better as the game went on. Michael Evans: Michael is a very impressive young player. He looks like he’s a real chance in the future. He had 21 disposals and showed composure. Michael’s a good kick and is clean. He knows where to go, so for all Demon supporters, he’s one to watch coming through. If these players played as well as stated, there is now some serious pressure building on our starting 22. Gysberts MUST play this week. Wonna MUST play this week. The other three need more Casey time but will place pressure on our 22, especially our backline. Thoughts? PS. It also rated Newton highly but I can't, I just can't bring myself to ever consider him again. It might be unfair on a player showing form but he has played this trick numerous times before. .

I am sick of re-inventions, starting again, rebuilding. I am sick of hearing from mild-manered coaches, players and leaders. I am sick of mildly going about our business like some 1950's MCC ladies auxilliary. No, I do not want thuggery - turns me off our great game. I reckon the last coach/leader at our club who wasn't mild was John Northey!! I want some ticker. I want us to play angry AND smart and not be sorry for it. I want to see my coach using negative psychology (a good rant or spray) in the face of a player who would respond to it. No short steps to packs, light-legged outside runners or tiny-thighed waiters dominating our team structure (yes, I know, we need some) Sitting behind the goals on Sunday night, it was great to hear some genuine anger, grunt, abuse and hot-headed-fan ranting from Melbourne fans. Too long we have golf-clapped our way through seasons!! Boy... I really needed to type that. .

Good discussion post. Most of us Demonlanders are patient. The strength of our posting after last night is absolute frustration that we served up the kind of game the whole club is trying its guts out to leave behind. And we are right to question Grimjes kicking, Jurrah's defensive game etc... But our main focus has to be midfield. We were monstered last night. The five great midfields mentioned to start this post all have big bodies and experience. For mine, Davey back to a half back flank to give him that quarter-back role as in 2009. Grimes into the midfield to use his decision making and game reading skills. In Gysberts, out Bennell. ASAP. In Scully or Morton(when injury allows), out Jetta In Jordie if Jonesy has another poor game. I am undecided here. There is a part of Jonesy's game that we need, the in-and-under game that our other recruits don't have the body for. I love this bloke but hislimitastions are getting bigger and his resourcefulness lesser. Then, barring injury play them in the same team, week in week out just like Carlton did with Gibbs, Murphy, Carazzo, etc... .

Green - is captaincy suiting? Jones - we need him Bartram - necessary but limited Watts - Get some mongrel (copied from above) Bennell - Front runner. Casey Frawley - will definetly improve Trengove - classy but intermittent Sylvia - gun needs help Dunn - lack of involvement Petterd - getting better weekly Grimes - kicking needs practice Garland - lost without him Moloney - one poor game Jurrah - learn to defend Rivers - good backline leader Martin - rising to potential Tapscott - grunt and poise Davey - half back line Jetta - Casey Maric - one more game Jamar - stuffed without him Bail - great run and carry

I have used outback toilets with more substance than this post. Reading the play is not his weakness. He is often in the right position a the right time. He now needs to learn to throw himself at it. As for playing deep - this is not his go at all. He can run all day and has a huge engine - let him roam a bit, including being deep, but don't stick him deep. As for Juice... please no-one type his name again as an option. Imagine the score from yesterday if he had been in the 22. Shudder. .

Would have loved to have shared the single malt with you. Your post is a cracker, Old Dee, and spot on in most places. I am not going to judge my whole season on this game, but when young fellas like Martin, Bail and Gappy can lead the way against a really hard unit like Hawthorn, and only Sylvia and Ribers show glimpses of onfield leadership, I reckon we are 1 year behind expectations. I have had a sleep and a couple of coffees, but I am still as annoyed, angry and jacked off at our attitude last night. Front runners who couldn't toughen up with little or no concrete shown by our leaders, and a tactical numbness shown by our coach. I hope this mongrel feeling wears off by the Lions game. .

This bloke is a gun who is not a reliable kick. Actually, he is a poor kick and this needs to be stated clearly even by those of us who love him as a player. He reads the play better than most, is courageous, can mark in a pack and runs into the right paces at the right times. But a coach needs to pull him aside at training and do kicking drills with him over and over again. He is too good to be making fuindamental errors, especially when not under pressure. 1. He should not be responsible for kick-ins. 2. He should be in our midfield but we need a large mobile skilled defender to take his place. We do not have one (yet). 3. He had a howler tonight but is the kind of plager who will rebound from this quickly. Look out Brisbane, Grimes will be BOG next week. .

This is the best post I have ever read on this site. 100% accurate. What's that definition of insanity: repeating the same action but expecting a differnet result? Please Dees, show some nouse. .

You've written my post Stuie. I do not want him sacked at all but there seems to be a lack of leadership at present. When will someone at Melbourne get angry with the heartless tripe we revert to so often? I want to see Bails coach us out of this coasting, pedestrian limp football. I have had a gutfull. I do not expect more than 10 wins this year but I expect some ticker and some grunt. .

6- Bail. Officially my favourite Dees player. Love his pace and hard work. In those horrible oments of the 3rd adn last quarter he was the only one still running. 5- Tapscott. Great to have himn in the team tongiht. Yep, a few clangers in the 3rd quarter but kicking to stationary targets is difficult for anyone. 4- Martin. Contested marking, running down smaller opponents, kicking vastly improved. 3- Rivers. Some of the Hawks misses in 1st half came from his defensive pressure. Not creative but worked really hard. 2- Sylvia. He is the best footballer at our club but he cabn't be on-ball for four quarters. Only help was from Bail. 1- Watts. ran all night. Led with class. Crashed packs and tackled well (at times) .

I hardly know where to begin. I am not expecting mircles this year but game plan improvement and at least a red-hot-go. Bailey's mantra has been "win more quarters than your opposition". His mantra failed tonight. We were thrashed in but one quarter. TEAM Backline structure at kick-ins was embarrassing. Repeating the same sequence six times in a row in third quarter and not working once. Backline coach needs a rod hot poker shoved somewhere. And how SLOW do we get our kick-ins started??? We were murdered at ground level. First, not one forward roved a pack well all night and we chose to use our known small forward as a sub. At times a player was in the right spot but standing bloody still and the mobile Hawks carried it away with disgusting ease. Second, so many times tonight, Jamar got his hand on it and it was instantly two Hawks to one Dee player, and within one second it was three Hawks to one Dee or four to two. The stoppages showed we do not know how to set up against a strong midfield and we don't know how to play out from a stoppage. Front runners only on a fast break. Endeavour. Do you remember some of those really light, no-grunt games we played under Daniher where we showed our skill but no ticker? Some of our players tonight ran OK, and the second quarter was thrilling, but that gut running, team building, " I wanna run through wall" feel was never there tonight. This was the saddest thing. No ticker. Watts and Jurrah led well at times tonight but our mids seemed unwilling to kick to a 50/50 involving these guys one-on-one. When they did kick it to them the kick was of such poor quality possession was impossible. How many times tonight did Jack Watts lead well to be ignored, or to have the ball delivered to him 1 metre from the boudary line after there was time enough for two oppenents to close his space? The ease at which the Hawks got it out of their defence was also embarrassing. They used the southern wing as if it was a desert - no Dees plays within Cooee, often overlapping in waves of three on one. INDIVIDUALS Jetta - too many errors at vital moments. Needs a number of weeks at Casey. Frawley - a really bad game from a great player. Needs match fitness desperately. Bartram - outclassed by Rioli (actually Rioli outclassed every Dee opponent he played on) Grimes reads the ball so well, has great courage and marks brilliantly for his size. But I am beginning to conclude he can't kick and this could place a shadow over his effectiveness. .

Maric barely had a chance and actually did a couple of good things with some hard running in the last quarter. Can't drop him on the basis of tonight. Whose stupid idea was it to use a forward pocket as a sub??? Out Jetta - made too many mistakes at crucual times of the game. In - Gysberts or Wonna if either fit enough. If Garland is injured how about Tom MacDonald? Please, pleae, please no Juice!!! Icouldn't stomach this. .

I was at the game tonight and the kick-ins were embarrassing. My wife, who is British and does not understand all the nuances of the game, asked me at the end of the game "why in the 3rd quarter did we keep kicking it to the same spot for the same bad result?" My youngest boy is 10 and even he was yelling out "they did it again". And, as much as I love Jack Grimes, his kicking needs work. His kicks are either ill directed, or so easy to read that other teams cut them off. Do we have an option "B", or is it kick it Jamar and hope it ends up no worse than 50/50? However, to give Grimes, Davey and Tappy a bit of a break, if someone would run and make a lead rather than waving their hands in the air like Kieren Perkins in the milk commercial, it would at least give us a chance. The only real constant lead was from Watts. I was really frustrated tonight. For me to be silent at the footy is rare but I spent most of the second half grumbling into my beard about our lack of kick-in planning. .

Very funny Wrathchild - didn't see it coming and a good description of a person in front of a computer with Rose coloured glasses.

Col G to Buddy. Col is beginning to show signs of Dustin Fletcher in his younger days (without the kicking and elbowing of opponents). However, I don't reckon this matchup is the key to the game. Frawley to Roughie. If the Dees can get this matchup this is a huge + for us. Roughie can be brilliant or foul with no in-between. Frawley's run and turning defence into attach could really show up Roughead. Martin to Hale. Stef to continue his great 2011 form. Bartram to Rioli. Does Barts have enough quick-thinking and quick-stepping to match Rioli? I am not too sure we have a good match for Rioli, but maybe Jetta. In the Guts Burgoyne could cause us problems in a similar way to how Goodes always does. Burgoyne is a tall-ish, powerful midfielder and will be too tall for Bail. Pity Jordie ins't playing. Jones to run with Mitchell. Mitchell gets a lot of ball across Hawks half back, andif Jonesy can get a few touches could mean 2 goals for us. This is a great matchup for us except that Jonesy MUST have contact every time Mitchell is on the ground. If Hodge plays half back maybe Dunn to make him accountable. Yep - agree with this. If Hawks don't do something about Sylvia and Trenners, this duo could seriously damage them. Both in good form and are a cut above Bateman, etc... To win this game our half forward line must be super-aggressive and hold the ball in, maybe even play on them man-on-man. The Hawks love their half backs to get heaps of free ball and set up play. Green, Watts, Dunn, Petterd, Maric, Bennell are the key for us scoring enough to win. Tappy on Bruce. Show him what he left and is missing out on. For the record - I hate the Hawks. They have stuffed up so many of our first rounds, and their 2008 arrogance almost matches Essendon's 2000 arrogance. I am sick of average footballers like Ladson, Young and Ellis carving us up without pressure or pain. Not this year. .

I am in the same boat as you Gotzy. Love Jonesy to death. And I appreciate that he had to be the number one or two midfielder for 2 years or so when he was still developing, and few others would take the pack-hits and help him out. He also bleeds red and blue and would be great to have around the club. 1. What is his role in the team?? Tagger/stopper. He can really concentrate for long periods and can tackle brutally. His first three or four steps are quite quick and because he positions himself so well, he is close enough to close down most players he runs with. Rohan Bail needs to be encouraged to run and carry, something Jones shouldn't do too much of. 2. Is he too slow for modern day football? No. You need up to 4 super-quick players. Most of the others can be of average quick speed, and 2 or so can be slower and given specific roles. Many slower guns running around in the AFL (e.g. Mitchell, Hayes, Baker, ) 3. does his poor disposal lead to too many turnovers that put our players pushing forward under pressure defensively? Yes. Actually, he is at his most accurate when shooting for goal on the run, which many others find it difficult to do. However, his turnovers are usually founded on poor decision making rather than poor disposal. He gets tackled so often at the point of kicking the ball. 4. Should we expect more from a guy whos now been in the system since 2006 and is part of the leadership group? No. The FD can see great merit in his place in the team so let them persevere a while. .

In the past you got the sense Stef would go where instructed, kick and handball to plan but was not intuitive about the essentials when in the middle of game play. He could spoil and defend a space adequately. Glimpses throughout the NAB cup/challenge series, and then dramtically on Sunday, Stef demonstrated important steps in his development: An awareness of team mates using his peripheral vision in anticiaption of what to do when he got the ball Sidestepping around opponents to dispose of the ball with the best option not only the first option Strong, deliberate marking both contested and uncontested(this really highlighted Paul Johnson's inability to do this) General football awareness. He is quickly stepping out from being another athlete who can play footy a bit, into being a genuine footballer. He still has a bit of work to do, and if he ever has to stand an aopponent like Goodes, Franklin, either of the 2 Riewoldts, it will clearly show he has more improvement to make, but he has genuinely surprised me and I can't wait to see what he brings to the Dees across the 22 hone and away games. Two points: Hard work at training can make a big difference Our coaching staff are real teacher and educators. Maybe we don't give them enough credo and they deserve more. .

6 - Moloney 5 - Trengove 4 - Sylvia 3 - Bennell 2 - Martin 1 - Garland I see that titan-uranus has MacDonald in his best 6. titan, you must have been taking crack at the time. His disposal and decision making today were horrible. Up until today I was struggling to find the right place for Moloney in my starting 22 but he led us to that draw through guts and composure. Great game. .

In the preseason, there were a number of topics and posts highlightiing our lack of natural skill in our backline. There is no lack in our backmen GETTING to a contest - but the skills coming out of defence to set up attacks was a worry in the NAB cup and challenge matches. It is only round one, but this trend was on show for all the other clubs to see today. You know our defence had a bad skills day when one of the best users of the ball is Bartram. He actually played his role well today but as for the others, their lack of skill was hihjlighted. Tapscott was excellent in defence and it was great to see his ball use. MacDonald - turned into trouble, handballed into trouble and kicked very poorly. Rivers - his efficiency rate for every skill today would be at about 40% Garland - did his job (eventually) on Goodes but even he bad a number of bad decisions. Grimes - excellent at everything except disposal. Two suggestions: 1. Our midfielders have to move a lot more so our backline do not have to continually kick to stationary targets near the boundary line. This lack of movement and options increasses the probability of clangers and restricts the defender's options. 2. We must get games in to Gysberts, Blease and Strauss. We cannot advance too far without an increase in backline kicking skills. Thoughts? .

Green - just good enough Jones - please don't kick (exxcept for goal) Watts - angry pills required Bennell - great in patches Trengove - quality and poise Sylvia - strong and dynamic Dunn - finishing needs work Petterd - in starting 18 Grimes- prolific but wasteful Maric - ordinary all day Garland - did his job Moloney - tough and prolific Jurrah - needs to defend Rivers - worst on ground McDonald - limited and wasteful Martin - turned into footballer Tapscott - mongrel and skill Davey - beaten on the day Jetta - better every game Jamar - great ruckman's game Bail - never eally in it

Our kicking for goal was a off, especially from 10 minutes in the last quarter through to the final siren. Even Jamar and Dunny! But Sydney were just as bad. I don't think this one thing cost us the game but it contributed. How can we spend so much time training and then kick the ball this badly? The mistakes under pressure are understandable and I can't criticise it, especially against Sydney. But the kicking off the half back line was terrible until the last quarter. MacDonald and Grimes looked at times as if they were aiming for opposition players, and as for poor old Jared Rivers, that has to be one of his worst performances ever. Perhaps it is just the round one cobwebs, but I reckon the clanger count will be between 20 - 30 just from our backmen.

Half our team showed below average kicking skills today but Grimes had a shocker. His reading of the play - oustanding. Courage - outstanding Contested marking - outstanding. Hitting a target - really poor. .

Right on the eve of the season - THIS. This would deflate morning glory!!! However, because he is still developing it is not a massive blow. The mongrel is that pace is our major asset and he is super quick and super intense at the contest. Bail, Gysbert or Tapscott to replace him. But I am getting sick of our injury-plagued starts to seasons. I need a cup of coffee... no, a whiskey... no, an Irish coffee. .

This year = 10-12 wins with some wins we didn't expect and some losses that make us angry. Jetta, Bennell, Blease, Tapscott, Strauss and especially Gysberts have to be given game time. Our midfield will be OK when all are fit and play games week after week together. But our back six is great in getting the ball; we just can't get through the press zone relying on the skills of Bartram, MacDonald etc... We give oppositions the ability to easily re-nter inside 50 by un-pressured turnovers. We need backmen who have grunt AND skill, more like Chip and Grimes. I want finals. We may make it. We have a great list. But we need the skills of Bennell, Jetta, Strauss etc... moving through our backline to stop the unforced errors. .