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When we started getting shuffled around between various different grounds for training the club should’ve tried to create their own base near the G or at least not far away. Possibly complaisant thinking they had something to plug the hole rather than getting a long term solution. Pert has said a number of times there are options being discussed but nothing seems to be materialising. If he can get it done he will go down in history at the club.

Every time the argument for Tassie gets brought up I feel a little sorry for them. 10-15 years ago there probably could’ve been a better chance for them to get a team by pointing to the additional revenue that an extra game for TV rights will bring plus the fact that there would be support for them pretty much guaranteed so you wouldn’t be scraping for fans at the ground. But the lack of growth for the game clearly trumped the decision and GWS and GC got the nod. Incredibly I think GWS has a decent potential to go into a real footy club. The Gold Coast on the other hand seems to be where sport goes to die. The AFL have thus far tried everything to get them competitive and they are still getting left behind. Perhaps the recent concessions will get them functioning (and they at least looked better this year) but I just don’t see any buy in from the locals. Despite all that the AFL seem determined to keep persevering with them. I think it really sucks for them but unless a Victorian club gets into dire circumstances financially (North seems to be the ones that’s always talked about) and is essentially forced to shift there then I don’t see how logistically they’ll get a team.

Absolutely incredible stuff. Has the potential to wreck one, or both clubs salary caps. The Pies have always looked bad in this but the dogs are looking very stupid as well, the contract should have been the first thing negotiated and terms written down. If one club is going down let it be Collingwood!

I’ll meet you there on those thoughts. He has a good action so I think it comes down to a little confidence. I just really hope he and Brown are able to work well in tandem to ease the pressure on each other.

He missed some extremely gettable goals this year for a forward that actually has a good kicking style, and also kicked quite a few from point blank finishing the good work of others (good work from him too to get into that position). The Brisbane game in particular I remember him missing a couple of fairly standard shots, we lost that by a goal, and vs North he should’ve had a massive bag but finished 2.3. True over the course of his career he’s been a decent set shot.

And missed goals he should kick. I’m willing to cut him a bit of slack but with him in the second forward role to Brown 2021 is the year he needs to make things click.

I’d also say that Frawley adds leadership and experience to their backline, a way of being a mentor. I’m not as critical of Oscar as some here but I’d still probably be taking Chip over him even with Frawley definitely being at the end of his career.

Do you expect the players to stay silent the entire pre-season? They need to drum up some press and positive attitude to pump up the clubs exposure.

I just can’t figure out why the dogs wouldn’t have put that down as the first point of bargaining. It was clearly the biggest issue for the Pies and therefore one of the major bargaining chips, possible guess is that the pies said they would pay $200k but didn’t specify if that was for the length of the contract or just for one year. As I said, I can’t figure out why that wouldn’t have been the very first thing to talk about as they sit down. Truly amateur hour from both clubs. So glad we stayed away from it.

He's a great man battling an awful illness, a true inspiration.

Bring on To Hell and Back #2! I'm glad he's positive, and he should be as there are some guys that can seriously play in our team. Time to make something of it.

It's comments like this that made me very wary of when the Pies "graciously" gave us the QB gate earnings every year. Firstly I knew it was never going to last forever and sure enough just as we were starting to show something as a team and the crowd was getting really big they decided they wanted it to be shared. Secondly I can see him using that as ammunition for things like this to do with us saying stuff like, "oh when you were on you knees begging for scraps we gave you this purely out of the kindness of our hearts". Whatever has gone on in the past is done, if the dogs look like they're going to be completely screwed over then they should make damn sure the [censored] rains down on the pies. EDIT: Also thinking about the QB earnings, I always looked at it as a form of equalisation as clubs like Pies, Essendon, Richmond, and Carlton were always very well looked after for primetime slots making them clearly more attractive to sponsors.

I said the same thing about Port going into 2020, yes they had a leg up with being able to play more games in Adelaide but they definitely altered their brand of footy enough to make use of what they already had at the club. We matched it with Geelong and Brisbane (both are losses that with a bit of poise could've been wins), lost to Richmond but were in the game until late, Port was the only disgrace against the top 4. The talent is there, it's making the pieces of the puzzle fit that we need to improve, as well as a big shift in attitude about pressure (that is something we are well off the pace on). Richmond's biggest asset is their unrelenting pressure and ability to squeeze what they need out of every player no matter how talented they are.

I just don’t know how/why the dogs would’ve done this deal without agreeing with the pies at least very close to what they were expecting them each to pay. Given how poorly the pies having been doing with these issues I could picture them doing a “it’s fine let’s just get the picks swap done and we can work out the rest in good faith”. The disgraceful actions of the pies should not go unpunished, they should be barred from trading in players/FA for a year, they’ve got less credibility than Dodoro (and that’s quite an achievement).

More and more there are stories from various different professional sports of players who retired 20-30 years ago who just pushed through the headaches and symptoms but are paying for it now. I’m glad things are developing to the point now that we can recognise when it’s not worth the long term health of someone to get them back on the field. I’m glad he’s better physically and mentally, it’s sad it didn’t work out, and I wish him nothing but the best for the future.

Pass mark is top 6 but not just scraping in, being a team to genuinely fear. Also minimum winning one final. Have to be contenders this year and we should 100% be aiming for top 4, there’s been a couple outliers but mostly to win the big one you have to get the double chance.

Sometimes you do things because they’re simply the right thing to do. Max is 29, yes the ending to his career is closer than ever but based off a number of other top ruckmen who have gone into their 30’s he could still be one of the best for 3 years and keep going longer if managed. That would mean we’re holding a bloke at the prime of his career back to play 2nd team footy most weeks. We tried playing Preuss in a 2nd tall role, it didn’t work. I’m glad we’ve let him go to allow his to be no 1 elsewhere, also assuming the timeframe I just said, Jacko should be just reaching the point where he takes the reigns as Max is finishing up (after captaining us to a premiership of course ?). I think Max is looking forward to facing his protégée!

I would have to agree based on 2020 form. Melksham as well should be told his form was sub par and he’s no walk up start. Looking at your team I mostly agree with everything so here are the spaces I think the team has issues on the ground: HB: Rivers named in the flank, his 2020 was brilliant and I think he’s a gun for the future but will he get second year blues? Would Jetta be the likely replacement? C : I also agree that Baker will be groomed from the start of the pre-season to take the other wing. I was bitterly disappointed that we put all our eggs into the Smith basket during trade period. AFL.com.au suggested Harmes could take the other side, as another random thought could Nibbler be a back up option? HF: All are players that can hit the scoreboard and have a positive impact but all three are terrible at applying forward pressure. Melksham was terrible in 2020 and it baffles me he was never dropped. F: The addition of Brown straightens us up and if he gets anywhere near his Coleman form then we will be look much better. But the same issue exists from the half forward, lack of forward pressure. Fritta and Kozzie need to be better at it (Kozzie is good but could still be better)

Assuming everyone is fit and firing Casey, however if Nibbler is getting games then the HFF would probably be his position. I could see him being used in a defensive role on oppo HBF, he’s not a bad tackler and has the tank to go with most players.

Jesus I saw this thread had popped up and was on 4 pages already, I was sure that there was going to be an article at the top and some substantial information. Instead it’s barely a gut feeling! If we’re successful next year then I doubt Trac is going anywhere, and even if we’re mediocre he actually strikes me as someone that genuinely just loves playing with his teammates. And the pies may have a natural power about them but the way they’ve treated Treloar may well cost them in the future.

We also suffered with our heartland being the state to have the biggest outbreak and so the toughest measures. It meant having a hub in Melbourne was out of the question. Had the hub been in Victoria we would’ve had minimum 3 stadiums (potentially more at the likes of Ballarat, Whitten oval, Princess Park, and dare I say it even Casey). I tip my cap to the NRL for doing what they did, but logistics were harder for the AFL, particularly with having to deal with WA.

While I agree what we saw of Petty in 2019 was promising I have to wonder what makes so many on D-land gush about him being best 22 next year. For me he’s going to have a tough battle to get games. Whether it’s defence or forward he’s at least one player behind making the team.

Haha I’m going to confess being a complete tool here, I mixed up Locky and Bedo! I agree HF is Bedfords best position. At least the “young and developing” part was right. ?‍♂️

Or perhaps the delay is to make sure whatever we are getting it’s good and long term to a high standard. That said we have been without a home base for too long, this thread feels like a re-run from the old Demonology!

Move Harmes forward, he is not a defender. I can see a scenario of rotating Viney, Brayshaw, and Harmes through the middle and HFF regions. We really had something with Harmes in 2018, the way he's gone backwards is one of Goodwin's worst failings.