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Lads, just becasue viney didnt dominate in the carnival doesnt mean he isnt a top 3-5 selection in the draft IMO. We've picked guys who have had good carnivals before and its clearly not the be all and end all. He has all of the 'un-teachable' attributes which will hold him in good stead for a long career in AFL footy - desire to succeed, he loves the contest, doesnt shy away from body contact =, reads the play well etc I think we take him when we have to, and if thats with pick 4 so be it.

I think we've gotten so used to the media running trash talk about our club that when Hawthorn and the Bulldogs steal the lime light we start to create our own!

Range Rover, do you believe in Aliens? Anyway, little Libba and Buddy have stolen the negative spotlight for the time being!

My comment was in relation to people bagging Schwab, our current ceo. Also, in relation to other CEOs being better than cam, I feel there's a bit of 'grass is greener' involved

I guess my point is that it doesn't achieve anything, why not find the positives in people putting in their best efforts for the club

People bagging out Schwab as a CEO becasue he isnt Brian Cook is like peole bagging out Nathan Jones or Brent Moloney because they arent garry Ablett or Jimmy Bartel. We'd love to have them working for us but they dont, so suck it up and support the guys we do have!

Thats a good point, in his position at the club i'd expect him to stand up and drive some sort of plan if there was no plan coming from elsewhere. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! Having said that, that's why Neeld is worth his pay cheque even though our win loss record is abysmal. At least the footy dept is united and clear on what they are trying to achieve now.

Fyfe is a freak, Gysberts is not. Doesnt mean he cant be a great player for us. Not a Star of the comp like Fyfe is likley to be, but Gysberts will make it

Please elaborate on the evidence, bacasue as per my first post in the topic, i have never seen hard facts that say X problem is down to Scwhab and Scwab only.

I'm interested to hear why people say he didn’t do a good job at Freo? Fremantle are in a better position than ever right now, probably with little to do with Schwab, but before Schwab/Connelly Freo were an absolute joke. When I hear Freo supporters bag the Schwab/Connelly years I never quite understand what reasons they have for the bad mouthing. Didnt they clear the clubs debt and make finals for the first time under those guys?

Its only rumours and speculation that lead me to have any negative feelings towards Cameron Schwab. On the flip side, he speaks well to the media, has obvious passion for the Melbourne football club and it's history. Whilst i'll admit the Blazers were a little cheesy, i generally like the way he romanticises our past. Also, getting too involved in Footy matters only shows to me that he is passionate about the club. He's stepped back now, and if things are running well i see no reason not to keep him on.

He's got plenty of traits that make him appealing in a trade, got some decent pace and kicks goals from the mid field. Having said that, non demons fasn would probably rate ricky petterd alot higher than we do becasue they'd only remember his good marks, goals and 15 tackles insdie 50. You deffinatley get a different slant on players when they're in your side

It's funny, when i first joined Demonland i did think once or twice that you could have been a club official trying to sway the opinion of the masses towards the clubs point of view! But Powerbroker? Thats is overstating it!

another point RE cook, is perhaps by not giving him a game we are able to negotiate a contract value which reflects this? I'm guessing the club would be pretty keen to keep these types of player on pretty low contracts where possible to keep room for the end of season raid on free agents etc

I like the in's to be honest Gysberts, Strauss and Tapscott need to deliver on glimpses of promise and the sooner the better. I'm a Fitzpatrick fan, although admit that to date he looks bad at AFL level. He looks a different player at VFL where he plays with confidence

Range Rover take a few days away from this site, your borderline hysterical lately! If anything Demetrious comments reinforced that we weren’t tanking, because he doesnt believe “"experimention or, list management, whatever you want to call it” is tanking. I think he defines tanking as deliberately trying to loose a game, which we didnt do. We were aherad againt Richmond until after the siren? We were managing our list for future years. We didn’t have the mentality that we wanted to loose the games, we put more emphasis on playing the kids and seeing what our players have got when played in other positions because we understood that success was a few years away.

interesting poll rpfc I agree with those who say that the only way to rid the AFL of tanking once and for all is to make the draft a lottery. As long as there is a 'reward' for coming last clubs will always put the cue in the rack and play the young blokes, experiment with positions and put injured players into surgery ahead of time, becasue only a fool wouldnt stat planning for the next season. But after seeing the blatant tanking that went on in the olympic badminton the AFL seems pretty discreet! We didnt deliberatley try to loose in '09, but retiring Yze, Robbo, White, Wheatley etc didnt allow us to compete as well as we might have in the short term. If that is tanking in a punishable form then every club is guilty

the depressing thing about cmparing 2009 and 2012 is that both years we have been garbage, and both years we have pinned our future on the upcoming draft. 2nd time lucky?

Range Rover, i generally enjoy your topics and agree with your angle on things around the MFC but i think your clutching at straws here mate

If anything this thread proves why we should hold onto plenty of our young players. 2 seasons ago Jones was a whipping boy around here... Keep the faith

What about Liar by Megadeth for next home game vrs GWS?

That would be sweeeeet Not a big LoG fan but thats a great intro, would be epic to see a footy team run out to a song like that

I'd love to see them run out to End of the Line Awesome intro

Give mission some time and hopefully our boys will have Strength beyond strength We've grown into a monster. An arrogant, explosive motherf**k.!.

i remember watching the come from behind win against freo in 2008 whilst listening to the album Watershed by Opeth. Early on we were getting pumped, so i turned off the commentary and put on Watershed. No single song from the album reminds me of the game, but vividly remember watching us come back from the dead whilst listening to the album! If we're talking about song titles that reflect my various feelings being a demons fan in recent years; Lost to Apathy - Dark Tranquility Angry Again - Megadeth Blind Faith - Dream Theater and if i had to pick a Pantera song title i'd go for Shattered, they way i feel after every game these days!