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Are you the son of Saty?

Perhaps Evans is actually setting the scene for us getting a pp by introducing the tradegy angle. Ie Clark and jurrah. It would be ironic if we got it and Clark came back to us

How about the Secret Footballer being Bob Murphy? Senior player, already writes for Age (improving too) and obviously likes to see bands.

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Begging? A little bit dramatic don't you think. The system that the AFL has set up is that in order to get a PP clubs must apply for one. Following the process proscribed by the AFL is hardly begging.

Ok in theory, however i suspect some FAs might go for a greater chance of finals ans may in fact get more from the club they are leaving ie are taking a pay cut (eg Rivers?). But what about FA's can't go to top 4 (or 6) sides from previous year

I cannot stand two of his simpleton arguments, arguments that are regulalry trotted out as to why we should not get a PP, even here on on DL. One. We don't deserve it. Please spare me such young liberal rubbish. Using that logic you could argue that no bottom clubs should receive equalization payments. Two. We will get compo for Frawley. Leaving aside the fact that he may not go (though it seems accepted by all that he will) this is compo for losing one of our best players and one of the precious few senior players with more than 100 games. It has nothing to to do at all with the PP. Nothing. And even if you argued it did, if anything it should increase our chance of getting a PP rather than diminish it as it hurts our chances of improving. Not giving us a PP because of compo for Frawley would in fact be penalizing us rather than the purpose of the (weighted) compo which is to ensure the bootom clubs are not unduly hurt by FA . And if it really was a factor in the decision to give us a PP we would be better getting in a highly ranked FA, which would water down our compo and by Barret's (and other's logic) mean we might then be eligible for a PP. Madness. What about just applying the AFL formula. If we get it based on that, great. If we don't then so be it but as i said earlier surely the PP system must then be axed completely. I assume the formula does not include a moral weighting for deserving or undeserving candidates. Nor would include compo received for FA or any other equalization measures (such as payments). So mind boggingly moronic.

I've lost a big chunk of enthusiasm after Sunday. I've been regularly attending games for 36 years and in all honesty cannot recall going to a worse game (i didn't go to 186) - and i've seen some shockers. I can'r recall being more disappointed or angry for that matter. I understand arguments against the PP system itself but I simply do not understand the arguments against us getting a priority pick. The PP system is there for equalization. Whilst we have the system in place we should get one. Full stop. If we don't get one this year the system has to be scrapped.

Jessie doesn't like to lose

I 100% agree wj and posted similar sentiments. Also it is staggering how much press he has done in the last week. Surely for the efc the best thing is to be quite. The court of public opinion is not going to influence Middleton and the more he talks the worse they look

my hand is up. Plus he can't shut up. Makes a stupid cooment about making it go away and has to make a clarification the next day. Making it hard for the hun to show blind faith

spot on. Never has it been more important to have a team with strong mid 20s blokes with 80 - 120 games under their belt. We went for kids just as the game shifted to this. Dumb. Is the reason gws struggle (captain obvious call I know) but won't if they can keep that group together

no.

I keep meaning to watch that show, i've heard it's good , but something always comes up

More for the what the file?, this time for Herr Littlle: Little also called on ASADA to disclose more information surrounding their grounds for issuing show-cause notices in June. "If ASADA is sitting on evidence then surely for sake of health and welfare of players they should be tabling it now." "It's a very frustrating time for us. "On this one, we're a passenger." Honestly is he for real. He wants ASADA to table their evidence for show cause notices EFC have stalled. Why on earth would they do that and how would doing so positively impact on the health and welfare of players? This in an article where he says should they lose this case he would be keen to appeal which would further drag out this saga and the uncertainty the players face. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-would-consider-appeal-says-chairman-paul-little-20140815-104d6g.html#ixzz3APtI3X4u A question for the DL legal posse. Can the players request the show cause notice process to be recommenced (based on the logic that doing so might be the best way to get this over and done with)?

I agree wj. A win is crucial. For both clubs.

You'd think so wouldn't you. But the chutzpah of little is staggering. He was quoted as saying the following: ‘‘We believe if the process was unlawful, the information can’t be used. It can be recollected so to speak, but I think the government would need to take a view now if this is in the best interest of the community generally and sport generally and at this point in time, that’s not clear. ‘I would love to be able to engage with the sports minister – I haven’t been able to do that at this stage – simply to understand the priorities from the government’s point of view. I think given that the court case is now finished, I’m hopeful that I can perhaps do that. ‘‘... We’re looking for a circuit-breaker. It is possible that this Federal Court case now will determine that the process is unlawful and in that situation we could find that the show-cause notices go as a result of that. But it’s too early to tell.’’ ‘‘The whole community has got fatigue with this investigation and if the sports minister is able to help us find a way through it, then I think that’s in everyone’s best interest. ‘‘... This whole investigation now has been aired in every newspaper, on every radio station, on every TV channel, I think it’s had an airing that’s been fair and reasonable, but we now need to, for the sake of the game and certainly I’ve taken this up with the AFL, we now need to find a way of making it go away." Amazing. The strategy laid bare. Exhaust everyone. Make it politically and practically very difficult to proceed with show cause notices. And he goes on to maintain that that the supplements program had not involved performance-enhancing drugs. If that is the case what is this sham all about. Accept the show cause notices and show bloody cause why you shouldn't be placed on the Register of Findings. Story over. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/paul-little-denies-knowledge-of-essendon-players-legal-action-seeks-circuitbreaker-20140814-103w41.html#ixzz3ALgv0sRP

Love it. What esteemed company the Hun must be in, in terms of the stable of News Corp papers. I wonder if they have an award for best covert recording. Liked this para: 'The Herald Sun's football writers Michael Warner and Mark Robinson were named sports journalists of the year for their work on the Essendon supplements scandal, an award they shared with the Daily Telegraph's Rebecca Wilson, Josh Massoud and James Hooper. The awards were presented at a gala dinner at Brisbane City Hall last night. Guests included chairman and chief executive of News Corp Rupert Murdoch and Queensland premier Campbell Newman.' It would have been easier to list the sports journos at the tele and the hun who didn't win sports journalists of the year.

....or a cone of silence

Yet another appalling article from Yobbo. Honestly is the editorial staff (who are the ones to blame for allowing such tripe to be printed) for real. So much wrong with it, its hard to know where to start - but three bits particularly stand out on the what the? scale First he says that 'ASADA called Hird to testify, remember. Surely, when he’s in the Federal Court, and when he’s being asked questions under oath, he must tell the truth as he knows it.' What the? Hird chose to involve himself in this case when there was no need to in order so he could bag the AFL and ASADA. And further his answers to ASADA's queries were unnecessarily expansive and gave detail not directly asked for (most of which was completely irrelevant) Second Am i going crazy or did i really read this beauty: 'The media commentary, in itself, has been fascinating, involving the Herald Sun, The Age and The Australian ....... Some explore all sides, which include the drugs and the processes. Others explore the strongest tree on which to string up Hird and, at the same time, find a lettuce to slap the AFL and ASADA. This week, one even praised McLachlan for his deal-making, which forced a hurried check to see whether McLachlan’s byline was on the story.' What the? I can only assume he thinks he is one of the reporters exploring all sides. Is he crazy? And he has the cheek to write that he needed to check one story to see whether McLachlan’s byline was on the story? After writing article after article that could have been written for him by Hird's spin doctors. Yobbo are you for real? He might have also noted that a whole bunch of other reporters have won prestigious prizes for their coverage of the supplements saga and he has won zilch. Third, and this isn't so bad i guess but where was the editor: 'As much as the players put faith in Essendon and its staff, we all put faith in the AFL to govern with good grace'. What the? Govern with good grace. What the hey matta hey does that even mean. Yeah Yoobo, AD and McLachlan need to be much more civilized in their governance. Its like a car crash. I can't stop reading his drivel. But i have to stop. Now. He is making me dumber.

so not a pact man then

spot on. You don't build culture by trading away players who have a lot to offer

Though isn't that a bit strange because the AFL have coersive power so presumably the AFL would redo the interviews (alone) and give the transcripts to ASADA ie players can only assert privilege if ASADA interview them

From my reading of Chris K's tweets withholding in so far as they have a right to assert privilege: Chris K: 'Young says though that the interviews won't be the same because players may assert privilege this time' Note: the previous tweet (for context) was: Middleton says problem he's worried about, making sure any order he makes doesn't prevent getting same information lawfully next time

I agree, he should come storming on to the ground and nail three opposition players with a massive tackle