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I like to use the bones from a roast chicken. Edit: misread thread title

Deefrag the truth will set you free. First you need to be able to handle it. Can you handle it? You are so angry and hurt. Adam has hurt you with the truth, that much is clear. He scares you doesn't he. Its OK to admit it. Do do and your journey of healing will commence. One day you will thank Adam.

The truth. Pure and simple.

Fair enough AK, you seem sincere. Apologies for implying you might be trolling, though to be honest i suspected you weren't. Good on you for wanting to make an effort to reach a deeper understanding of what is a very complex issue. Too complex for a footy forum. I reckon a good start to understanding this issue is getting a handle on the history of colonization, the impact on Aboriginals and the subsequent history. Geoffrey Blainey's works might be a good place to start if wanting to read about it or perhaps get hold of the documentary series that aired on SBS a while back, The First Australians (an excellent series).

Please AzzKika unless you are deliberately trolling stop and think before you post. If you are trolling then you have certainly perfected the art

In all seriousness it is really positive to see that there are so many posters with enlightened views about the various issues covered in this thread. Of course, as this a microcosm of our society there is a small minority who display shocking bigotry and lack of understanding however it is heartening that these are in the minority, at least here on DL. Australia has a long long way to go though. It is shameful to think that it was 1962 before all adult Aboriginals were eligible to vote in federal elections, 1965 before all states gave Aboriginals full voting rights in state elections and 1967 before Aboriginal were counted in the census - 1967. Many posters on this site were probably born before then. And some wonders why Aboriginals can't let things go.

Genghis khan had a pretty intimidating war dance

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That's it deefrag, let your anger at adam out. Internalized it will only eat away at your soul. But be open to his healing force. Go on your journey of healing. I know it is confusing for you now but you will one day reach a level of understanding. Good luck

Yep, i agree. Backed him before the weekend, annoyed i missed the $8 at the beginning of the season but he is still great value at $3.50. A big plus is RS is voted on by the All-Australian selection panel, which last year comprised Gillon McLachlan (chairman), Mark Evans, Danny Frawley, Warren Tredrea, Glen Jakovich, Cameron Ling, Luke Darcy, Matthew Richardson, Kevin Bartlett and Kevin Sheehan (Rising Star selector only). Mostly ex players who i reckon will love Jessie's competitiveness. An his consistency means he will be in people's mind all season

Or Henry Coles and big Carl

Insert joke about cream of the crop or a player who danced to the beat of his own drum

He seems to be helping you. By the evidence of your posts (those gifs are wonderfully revealing) on this thread he has clearly struck a very raw nerve for you. He has upset you. He has hurt you. This is the first step for you. By exploring why he has had such a deep impact on you, you are well placed to deal with your issues in a constructive healthy way and move to a better place. You will come to thank Adam for his help. Perhaps you have already. Confront your fears Deefrag and heal. Good luck on your journey.

It's funny you shopuld say this Jabber. One of the curious things for me on this thread and in broader online chatter has been the idea put forward by some (often in the context of why is booed and why he is disliked) that Goodes has been playing the 'victim card'. Very strange because like you i think the opposite is true. Another curious things is people (like Matthew Lloyd of FC last night) saying other Aboriginal players don't get booed so and implying that the fact he does therefore cannot be about race. Strange.

Good on you PD for taking the time and effort to reconsider your views. Few bother (on both sides of the debate with many polarising issues), which of course is part of the problem and i have respect for those that do. One only need to look at the numbers of children going into state care around the country to see that there is a serious issue of child abuse in many non aboriginal communities, particularly ones that suffer from entrenched poverty. But you are right to say there is a serious problem of child abuse in some (many?) aboriginal remote communities. A key issue is the causal factors for this problem, for it is only in understanding properly what is at the heart of it that effective, meaningful preventative responses can be developed. A failure to properly understand the cause leads to bad (and often damaging) public policy. As a poster noted way earlier a key causal factor is the history of colonization and all its horrors (horrors that Adam Goodes has been brave enough to make clear) and subsequent government policies and community values (Little Goffys posts a re a powerful reminder of these). These elements have caused untold damage for both the Aboriginal people and the broader Australian community since colonization. When communities, families and support systems are destroyed you end up where were are now. The same story has tragically played out in indigenous communities around the world post colonization. We can't spend our way out this problem. We can only heal our way out of the problem. And it is not just a problem for Aboriginal people it is a problem for all of us. I have total respect for Adam Goodes for using his platform to create dialogue and yes argument - for using his platform to speak plain truth, truth that need not only to be accepted but internalized by Australia if we are to move forward as healthy society. I loved the comments from Micky O in this article, basically saying if not Adam (and him) who is going to say what needs to be sad, to carry on the work of their elders? I appreciate that some people don't like the message or the delivery but i respect people who stand up for what they think is right.

Yep good call Dees2014, agree with all of your comments. If there is a guilty fining the reaction from EFC and Hird (and their media lackeys) will be fascinating. Their brains will explode with no further appeal option (outside the apparently very limited avenues with the Swiss courts system).

Spot on. People would have no problem if he did what many think he is supposed to do - shut up and entertain us.

I agree with this totally. in fact i'll hand it to Caro, she has never wavered from this very point ie it is about and the health and welfare of the players. Workcover really should have done something about this by now

Lance obviously loves the kerfuffle facts and unlike sanityprevails is actually pretty good at trolling, in large part due to the fact that he raises some valid points. One of these is that it remains a possibility that the players are in fact innocent of taking PEDs. Yes, based on what is public knowledge on the balance of probabilities it would appear the players took PEDs. However much of that info is scuttlebutt and unreliable and few if any on these board would have been privy to the evidence presented at the tribunal. So despite some people's furious rejection of any idea the players might be innocent, it remains one of the possibilities. Ipso facto it remains possible that WADA will not be able to mount a successful case. Indeed it remains a possibility that even if the players did take PEDs ASADA may still not be able to to mount a successful case.

I'm quietly confident about this match as i was reading Port have really dropped off this year (from last year) in terms of winning the contested ball and tackle numbers. I suspect they will come out breathing fire and really focused on improving in that area. But funnily enough that might actually work in our favour as we have been good in both of those areas and with Viney and Jetta back in will match their intensity. It is also a must win game for them which brings its own challenges Also, as i've noted before i reckon we have set for this run of 3 games (last week and the next two) and have been freshened up to maximse the chance of winning.

Fair point. It would have been better to say i rate Roos as a coach and i rate his ability to pick a team that gives us the best chance to win. Which is exactly what we did last week. All 3 of his left field selections paid of in spades. Fitzy thrashed Boyd, Jones negated their key play maker and Bail shut down on of their other key play makers Johansson. So they lost drive from half back and were impotent up forward. These selections (and of course the fact those 3 played their roles to a t) were a huge factor in our win. If some can't see that then i don't rate their capacity to analyse a game of football and therefore their arguments that Bail and Jones should be dropped hold no weight in my eyes.

Its also stupid. I reckon there have been one or two selection blunders this year - Mackenzie coming in and not being used to balnket Fyfe being one example but last week Roos got it spot on. People scratched their head at Fitzy, Bail and Jones coming in. But all 3 decisions turned out perfectly because all 3 played their assigned role perfectly. Which is why all 3 have been selected this week (and perhaps why Michie has been dropped when seemingly playing ok ie not playing his assigned role). Despite Roos saying it for nearly 2 years and every player repeating like a mantra in interviews some posters do not seem to get that the key expectation is that every player does their assigned role. Criticizing the selection of Bail and Jones (who both by the way do the other key expectation of Roos - hard gut running both ways) is essentially saying Roos is an idiot who doesn't really know what he is doing. Such criticism also suggests some people 'watch' games of football but don't realty understand what is going on.

Makes me wonder about why roos picked both players again. Not.

Agree with almost all of that also fndee. Exciting isn't it. The only point I disagree with is I reckon tmac is every bit as good as neitz and may end up being better. Only 22 and huge upside given his desire to improve. Love that he has continued to attack and if his disposal continues to improve he will be even more damaging

totall agree, especially in regard to Shwarz. I remember watching a game with a young Ox, pre any knee injuries, at Victoria Park. He was simply awesome and a big factor in a famous wins (close to my favourite game i've attended: Schwarz and Jakovich at their best. Fantastic stuff)