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Wouldn't shock would it. I mean they must be deperare for quality. And they cant bottom out.

The only caveat i would put on the above comments re dees not trading him is it assumes he doesn't ask for too much moolah

There is no way id trade tmac for mitchell and unless tmac wants out there is no way the dees wouls do that deal. Of course you need many good mids but we have at least 5 and can target a top 10 mid in the next draft. At present we have 1 good big who can play on say a tex. Tmac. If we got hurley that's two. If we draft a key back we wait 2-3 years and omac will take that same time to bulk up enough to take the opposition monsters. Of course he is frustrating wirh his disposal, though on that it is clear tge direction from roos is to attack and play on. But we are simply not inna position to lose another 100 game decent kpd

Borking being one of them

Agree PD. As Jack Watts said we should not allowed those four goals to start the third. Critical. I was actually really impressed we stayed in the contest after that and whilst not quire wresting back the momentum stopping it all flowing their way. Also some critical errors and missed opportunities throughout the game cost us our chance. Kennedy missing from straight in front in the last was a heart breaker. Whilst it didn't cost the game i thought the free kick against Stretch in the the third for holding the ball on the half back flank was a shocker and led directly to a Crows goal. He had absolutely no prior opportunity. That said the goal came about after a poor kick put him under pressure and we failed to spoil a kick to the top of the square.

I could not agree more Nasher. I had exactly the same thoughts when i watched it last night. He also nailed the reasons why we lost - mistakes, turnovers, silly errors. But was also quick to point out how that we were hard at the ball all day. Terrific and insightful comment that the top teams, the Geelongs and Hawthorns, don't let a team smash them out of the center 5 times in a row as we allowed to happen in the third (which is precisely when we lost the game) and that we would have to find a way to do the same. A more balanced and accurate analysis than some in this thread. I also really liked his comments about his own game. Acknowledged he played well without going over the top and said he still made some errors. my take was that it was close to the best game i have seen him play. Played well from beginning to end. Marked well, ran hard, cracked in, hit the scoreboard, got 23 possessions, stayed switched on and in the contest (eg i'm pretty sure he touched the ball Jacobs shanked to Gartlett setting up a goal, though in the highlights the coomenatotoes didn't say so) used the ball beautifully (god, didn't it stand out when compared to some of the howlers - OMc, Dawes, TMac and Hogan's chief among them. How was that kick across his body to Hogan running towards goals that Hogan should have swallowed) and had numerous score involvements Dare i say it but he sounded like a leader. Perhaps that's the next evolution of Jack.

Yep i see it the same way. The game plan most clubs employ these days (or try to employ) needs players with pace, yes to attack, but more importantly to run back to cover the ball that gets over the high press. You can cover 1 or 2 slow players (as the hawks do) but not too many more. Was just saying to a mate last night when discussing who might go out that i feared it might be jt because of his lack of pace. He needs to be an inside mid in the vein of sam mitchell. However as my mate said he neefs then to get the ball 30-35 times a match.

Thanks for the answers. Seraph, are you sure its no longer unmetred?

And it's unmetred so no download hit. Does anyone know if google chromecast works for the AFL live app? It's not supposed to but i thought i saw someone post that it does actually work

Can you stream to PC via crown or only via phones and tablets?

What does it matter. Real fans go. Fair weather fans all those who if you can't be bothered to brave the cold and get off their couch! Sorry couldn't help myself. A preemptive joke to protect against posters who like to post something similar - but not as a joke.

Great post. Amazing how many people haven't grasped the implications of the shift to a zone defense and high press. Reminds me going to games when teams started chipping the ball around and crossing across goals and fans screaming to kick it long. To you're well made points id add that it is critical defensive units develop a synergy, particularly wirh a zone defense. The only way to build that synergy ito play lots of games together as a unit.

Jesus picket youre harmless enough but this post was the straw and all that. Such a high percentage of inane posts. In the voice of donald trump. You're ignored!

Tom is a definite keeper. They'll come to an agreement i fell certain. Hard to beat home cooked meals and playing in premiership side with your little brother

That may be so but they copped a pretty big wack none the less and it was up to asada not the afl to charge the club for team based ped use - something they elected not to so

To be honest i reckon it is fair enough for them to get the first draft pick in the almost certain event rhey finish last. Im no efc apologist but the players have received their penalties as has the club. Perhaps an argument could be made that the afl should have foeseen this and applied it when they banned them from finals etc but they can't apply a new penalty now. All that said i do wonder if they might consider giving the lions a priority pick and giving them number 1. Now that is something i would like to see!

Good on rhe giants. I like them and hope they do well. I look forward to our rivalry. I also like their song. With its gypsy, marching band vibe a clever nod to traditional club songs from a very talented muso, Harry angus of cat empire fame.

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I agree with all four of your points. Looking at it objectively we are well placed to finish the year strongly. We're in good shape injury wise and have good depth. We're a high scoring side that will cause problems for any team who does not get their defensive zone right. If we bring our best intensity and our opposition doesn't we will beat allmost all teams. And i think we are improving as our game plan becomes more instictive. I also think that we have 3 of our best 22 to come back in, brayshaw, h and salem. One other factor: as the reality statrs to dawn that roos is leaving the players will lift and be desperate to win for him

Yep fair enough - a brownlow does not 'guarantee' elite status. I took your comments a little less literally. I agree umpires are not the best people to judge the best player in any one year. However looking at the list of Brownlow winners the majority are elite so i think it reasonable to say that at the very least winning the Charlie is a good indicator of where a player sits in terms of his ranking as a player.

Just on Platten. He made AA 5 times, won a Bronlow, a Magarey, played in four VFL/AFL premierships, kicked 228 goals in 258 games, won 2 best and fairests at both Hawthorn and Central Districts and is in both the SANFL and AFL Hall of Fame and you don't consider him elite? All i can say is you must have a pretty high bar for elite.

You're kidding right. I'll give you cooney, though in the season he won it he was a short priced favourite and had a brilliant year and i have no doubt would have been elite if not for chronic knee problems. Platten, Crawf, Stynes, Couch and Aker all most definitiley elite players. Some consider Platten one of the best players to come out of SA for petes' sakes. Stynes not elite? You can't be serious. As i said 24 of the 28 years an elite player has won the Brownlow. Pretty good measure and one that refutes your claim the Bronwlow is not a good indicator of elite status. But i just chose the last 28 years. Here is the next 28 years. 1959 Verdun Howell St Kilda 20 Bob Skilton South Melbourne 20 1960 John Schultz Footscray 20 1961 John James Carlton 21 1962 Alistair Lord Geelong 28 1963 Bob Skilton South Melbourne 20 1964 Gordon Collis Carlton 27 1965 Noel Teasdale North Melbourne 20 Ian Stewart St Kilda 20 1966 Ian Stewart St Kilda 21 1967 Ross Smith St Kilda 24 1968 Bob Skilton South Melbourne 24 1969 Kevin Murray Fitzroy 19 1970 Peter Bedford South Melbourne 25 1971 Ian Stewart Richmond 21 1972 Len Thompson Collingwood 25 1973 Keith Greig North Melbourne 27 1974 Keith Greig North Melbourne 27 1975 Gary Dempsey Footscray 20 1976 Graham Moss Essendon 48 1977 Graham Teasdale South Melbourne 59 1978 Malcolm Blight North Melbourne 22 1979 Peter Moore Collingwood 22 1980 Kelvin Templeton Footscray 23 1981 Bernie Quinlan Fitzroy 22 Barry Round South Melbourne 22 1982 Brian Wilson Melbourne 23 1983 Ross Glendinning North Melbourne 24 1984 Peter Moore Melbourne 24 1985 Brad Hardie Footscray 22 1986 Robert DiPierdomenico Hawthorn 17 Greg Williams Sydney 17 Perhaps 4-5 of that list might not have been considered elite. That leaves 23 who were. So in the last 56 years the winner of the brownlow was elite player 46-47 times. And you argue its not a good indicator of elite status. Sheesh.

Yep, that's a fair call. So in the 24 of the 28 years an elite player has won the brownlow. Pretty good measure then i would say

I'm not sure i agree. This is a list of the winner in the last 28 years, which is a pretty big sample size. I think you could mount a strong argument that only Shane Woewodin and perhaps Scott Wyndd and Tony Liberatore would not be considered an elite player by most: 1987 John Platten Hawthorn 20 Tony Lockett St Kilda 20 1988 Gerard Healy Sydney 20 1989 Paul Couch Geelong 22 1990 Tony Liberatore Footscray 18 1991 Jim Stynes Melbourne 25 1992 Scott Wynd Footscray 20 1993 Gavin Wanganeen Essendon 18 1994 Greg Williams Carlton 30 1995 Paul Kelly Sydney 21 1996 James Hird Essendon 21 Michael Voss Brisbane Bears 21 1997 Robert Harvey St Kilda 26 1998 Robert Harvey St Kilda 32 1999 Shane Crawford Hawthorn 28 2000 Shane Woewodin Melbourne 24 2001 Jason Akermanis Brisbane Lions 23 2002 Simon Black Brisbane Lions 25 2003 Mark Ricciuto Adelaide 22 Nathan Buckley Collingwood 22 Adam Goodes Sydney 22 2004 Chris Judd West Coast 30 2005 Ben Cousins West Coast 20 2006 Adam Goodes Sydney 26 2007 Jimmy Bartel Geelong 29 2008 Adam Cooney Western Bulldogs 24 2009 Gary Ablett Jr Geelong 30 2010 Chris Judd Carlton 30 2011 Dane Swan Collingwood 34 2012 Jobe Watson∗ Essendon 30 2013 Gary Ablett Jr Gold Coast 28 2014 Matt Priddis West Coast 26 2015 Nathan Fyfe Fremantle 31

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