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Most of all i reckon he needs to get quicker from a standing start. i hope burgess focuses on improving his speed over the first 5 metres

Great post. The bolded bit is why i don't get too caught up in all the trading and drafting shenanigans. What will be will be. I understand that people love the various permutations and back and forths, and good luck to them - i like reading it. But for me its bit like the weather. A persons opinion about it isn't going to have an impact on it. by the by not every one dislikes Oscar. He'll play plenty of senior footy next year, mark my words.

I'm a betting man. And i'm willing to be that some DL posters are more likely to look like idiots again (not you Kent). Actually what i'll bet is that some DL posters will take any frost highlight for the rest of his career as proof positive we made a howler in trading him and Hawks are genius. And hawk fans who watch him week in and week and out will weep at recruiting Frostball.

Funnily enough tigers are using the really long handball to clear an area quite a bit. Robbie was beautiful hand baller wasn't he. On both sides. What a player. With his skills and running ability would thrive in today's footy.

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This is exactly right. A huge weakness in his game. The issue i think is that he doesn't read the ball well in flight so whist he is strong and one on one really good, a forward who reads the flight of the a ball well will hurt him and often can, wit a slight nudge, get him under the ball. A good example of that was gunston out marking him the semi last year. Frosty is heavier and stronger than gunston but did not have his ability to read the flight of the ball and ended up way out of position.

I get emotionaly attached to players so never like seeing any go. But leaving that aside we won't miss frost (well the fans will miss some of the crazy football moments) from a team perspective. He is not a natural defender but the real issue is his disposal. In a team with so many poor kicks frost would need to be elite in another area (and not speed, sheesh) to overcome his rubbish kicking. It's not just the goals that we concede because of his turovers it the scoring chances we miss out on because the possession chain is broken (sometimes at the first link!). One thing I was surprised at was that goody never experimented with a set play of frosty taking a kick out, playing on and running for the 20 metres that gift them and roosting a torp 60 metres down the ground to a predertimined area (a predetermined spot would be a tad optimistic) to say maxy. That would get the ball well over half way.

What us the stuff about needing frost's speed? Again, we dont need quick key defenders. We need quick, skilled mids and forwards. Everyone is raving about Richmond. Riddle me this - who is their super fast key defender? Or for that matter any other super fast key defender from ine if tbe four preliminary final team?

True (tgough hawks are good in this regard to) but it has taken time to get to the place where they are now in terms of a culture strong enough to absorb and shape perceived bad apples. Easy to forget how long tigers have been building that culture. On that Hardwick can obviously get some credit but much respect must go to O'Neill, gale and their board, particularly back in 2016 when they stuck fat and refused to deviate from their plan.

Agree. I think Smith was a big loss this year. I really rate him and have tge feeking tbat wirh some luck with injury he could become something special. Smith's unavailability exacerbated the issues created by weeds and Mac's struggles and the absence of hannan and avb. We just could not bring the ball to ground often enough. Not that had anyone who could rove the spill. I read an article in the age (I think- I forget by whom - gleeson maybe?) that talked about the importance of lynch and reiwoldt bringing the ball to ground when they were unable to mark (which is increasingly hard to do with zines and floods). I'm sure the plan was for Smith to play that role for the dees. Hit the pack and use his athletism and leap to create araerial contests. I am really pleased he has re signed and really hope he stays fit. If he does he will be like a new recruit for us.

In today's footy, with the use of zones and screens. knowing where to put and being able to do so (e.g. by weighting the ball chipping over a wall etc) is more important than a laser like kick. Just look at how hard tigers made it for gws to get the ball forwa4d of centre. This is one reason why fritter, who is a beautiful kick, turned it over often when playing back. Struggled to get it to where it needed to go.

Is he an elite kick?

Not our pick 21 (and maybe a future pick back if they figure he is not worth pick 21)?

Just saw this. 100% agree. I don't mind the priority pick (though you can only laugh when they get a pick right before our first 2 picks). But I will mind if like may, lynch, Martin etc they up and leave in 2 years time

Agree. Im also surprised they didnt get some more support in terms of governance and football department

No that's not right. Each hammy is 27.

For any DL posters who started reading DL after we traded in Melk and Hibberd the threads about them prior to being traded in are well worth a read in the context of getting in Tomlinson, who don't have to give up any draft picks for. Spoiler alert: some were dead against getting them and many people thought we gave up too high draft picks for them

If I was a site admin things would look a bit different around here. As an example, in regard to Tomlinson I would make the following statement: I hereby decree that any poster who is critical of recruiting Tomlinson (and costing us only salary cap space and a spot on the list I might add - an important consideration given the gws priority picks) is banned from at any point thereafter complaining about how bad the depth is at the MFC. The punishment for breaching this rule will be having to change your avatar to a picture of Mark Neeld.

But you use a photo of yourself for your avatar?

Agree. He is a confidence player Whilst I agree the club can help with getting him in the right mindset, he needs to find needs an intrinsic capacity to get himself psychologically ready.

I don't know dd. I don't know enough about the draftees to have an informed opinion. But ash does sound the right type. Above all anyone we draft needs to be an elite kick. Our kicking is, in my opinion, our biggest weakness. And it needs to be addressed.

The solution is a Kelly, gaff or a hill. But we won't getting one of those players. Fast outside mids who have good skills are pretty hard to come by. Really the only option is via the draft. We have pick 3. We have to use that. We have zero currency to trade in a top liner outside mid. Unless we trade Brayshaw. We don't need a fast outside mid. We need a reall5 gid one. And none are free agents or available for our pick 20. And by the by, I agree that a fast outside mid is the type of player we need. Have been saying so for years.

Again. Thats not a solution.

That's not a solution. That's a shopping list. I presume you want a fast runners who can kick. Off the top of your head who is avaible tbat meets that criteria?