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I believe (I also hope like hell Collingwood wins week one)

Now more than ever, and I thought this after trying to rate 1-22, it truly is about playing your role, I know that sounds like a terrible cliche made for TV, but every name you think of, you think of some 'mission critical' function you want the player to perform, and the consequence of that not happening. It makes the idea of top 6 and bottom 6 a little redundant from how the team will go overall, because if the bottom 6 do the role designed for them (I don't think anyone is being gifted a game) then we will win, but we also need the top 6 and middle 6 to do their bit as well. The days of a few individuals putting 'the team on the back' I think, while still possible are far less likely. Therefore @Pennant St Dee and @layzie are not so far from it, the idea of ANB with his hard running pressure (team role) breaking the game open. @Yung Blood I based it on current season, with a feel for recent form, as much as Petracca has improved the last few weeks, I am probably marking him a little harder after rating him on potential for so long. Re Jones, yes an argument could be made for 10-15, I am personally finding it hard to rate him correctly. I think he is a senior player and does provide leadership, however a few have gone past him and calculating the intangibles is hard. I also rate his ability very highly to kick Captains goals, more than one his running has put him in position to slot a high pressure kick and the way it lifts the team is a pleasure to behold. Out of the other players you mention, Garlett, Hunt could be best 22 if they wanted to be (over Hannan/JKH), their form drop off is the disappointment of 2018. Lever is top 10 (VDB would give way) and Stretch (after that teasing cameo before injury) could have an argument for knocking Spargo out (I think 2019 will see even more heat for places) I can only see Vince getting back in with serious injuries that I do not wish to happen. are depth, ranking 25 to 29i.e. Wagner, Kent, Joel Smith, Pederson, Bugg (had hoped he'd get back).

Hi Dees2014 (not our most auspicious year btw...) Interesting subject, sure to provoke some discussion. FWIW IMHO ? 1. Gawn 2. Oliver 3. Brayshaw 4 TMac 5.Viney 6. Jones 7. Salem 8. Lewis 9. Melksham 10.Jetta 11. Hibberd 12. Harmes 13. Tyson 14. Fritsch 15. Pettraca 16.Neal-Bullen 17. Omac 18. Frost 19. Vandenberg 20. Weideman 21. Spargo 22. Kennedy-Harris Our bottom six have not hit their respective ceilings yet, that really excites me.

Yes a repeat of the QBD match is my nightmare, but in daylight with a half dry track and we will torch them by 6+ goals, our best footy is better than their best footy. Kick a little straighter and with Hibberd and Frost in the back half, we are alot more settled. Only wildcard is Ablett, he will care about this game, he won't be hiding in his shell trying to preserve himself, I think we should give him more respect. Chris Scott is also a pretty good coach with an excellent staff, I hope Goody doesn't try anything smart and just backs our contested ball ability. I don't hate Geelong but want to beat them badly, will still be a failure of a year if we don't win.

Sorry but I disagree, Tmac is best just kicking at the sticks, anything else makes me nervous as he kicks floaters more often than not. Yes he has the tank, and can/could mind a running gorilla, but those kicks are best suited for goal kicking - keep him 45m from goal at all times I reckon.

This kid is a firecracker, target him? 1st I reckon he'd give it right back (probably a bit too obviously as well) 2nd we don't play bruise free, we'll be hunting Geelong with our tackles and I reckon we'll more than hold our own, Also Viney won't stand for it.

We've done this dance before BB, you are the merchant banker of supporters and I'm more into the pathos of the club. In the movie the Castle I'd be speaking about vibe, and perhaps I'm simple (I feel simple, arguing for respect on an internet forum).

autocorrect with humor. I'm thinking this way as well.

I was sad he left, I really wanted to see him succeed at the club, but I felt like Goody gave him a chance, after 12 months away I can see that Goody knew what he was doing. I think Jack is a normal human, with some awesome skills but not much of a contested ball player which puzzles me to this day because he seems quite good at winning the 1v1s.

I did, you were just too busy hyperventilating to read it, re Jack Watts I said, "I think the FD (that was an abbreviation for the Football Department of the Melbourne Football Club) knew what it was doing (moving on Jack Watts, i.e. Jack Watts was not a good fit for our football team), do you need more than that? I can get some crayon. I'll use my name when I am slagging someone off, I didn't name you personally but obviously you want to make things about you.

To be clear, I don't disagree with this, I just don't think that case has quite been made as fact (a real fact, not a trump fact). Lets see what the senate inquiry comes up with.

We need more about Jack W? FMD, there is enough. But to play along, I think the FD knew what it was doing. My point is similar to what Paul Roos / Simon Goodwin have said OTC and other venues, words to the effect 'don't underestimate how invested the players are in the club' and also what Nathan Jones said in players week OTC about internet trolls, there is a decent way to express your opinion_thus some of the commentary about our players has been downright rude, and some of what was said about Jack doesn't pass muster for a supporter. Now before someone tells me to toughen up - Let me flip it back, if someone is going to go hard with their comments, slagging a player from a team you reckon you support, be bold and type your full name against your POS opinion.

What I would be keen to see is how many exceptions are made across the board by the Minister, if this was a one off (or only happened where there was a mate or a donor involved - then I'd say gut him like a fish, I just have a feeling that there are probably dozens and dozens of these cases where some grace is shown. I personally know of cases where the local MP was approached by a family to make representations to the Minister of Immigration because there has been some sort of error and eventually something good has happened.

Start a petition - make Gill and the board of the AFL wait in queue on finals day for as long as the average fan has to wait. 2 hours standing should focus their attention.

BUMP - Was hoping they would ask Goody some more questions about this OTC. Do we start with Frost on Hawkins or does he give OMAC a chance on Hawkins again, to get his mojo back. Part of me wants to back a player a chance to redeem himself. The practical part of me says Frosty will run off Hawkins and be a weapon all day, thoughts? I lean towards 1st quarter OMac then swap.

OTC Goodwin said Frost had acknowledged what he had needed to do to get back in the game. Must have been something, Goodwin doesn't seem to play favourites, I think he's actually quite honest with the players about what they need to do, and I don't think he'd fib about something like that, as it could bite him in the derriere in terms of trust with his players. @CBDees I thought the same thing, we seem to do much better than Carlton with Giants rejects, the John West of player recycling, thank you Mr Taylor.

As a rabid lefty two comments, 1) an au pair got her Visa wrong, happens all the time, she was straight up with the immigration officers who interviewed her, just because Border Control are a complete pack of pajero's most of the time doesn't mean she deserved to have merde dumped on her. That many deserving people get unfair, unjust, and cruel treatment is not up for debate/dispute and is the reason to think about how you vote, and what you want from society, but I'd leave this individual out of it. If we hadn't rooted our immigration system there could be alot more discretion and less hysterics about people just getting on with life. 2) As much as we might dislike Gill for various reasons, there is nothing more to see here than someone vouching for a mate, which is not illegal, he didn't twist Duttons arm, and to suggest this was over a political donation is a stretch. I'm all for critiquing Gill for some goose stuff like with rule changes and the doping saga, but this, nah, move along. I loathe Dutton, think he's a racist pr1ck, but evidence for this actually being wrong is not there. BTW: This belongs on the other board.

I fully agree. Running wild is a bit strong though, irritated would be closer to the mark.

Yep we're having a discussion, I am also allowed to take offense at some discussions, and I just find 'Trade Hogan' disloyal, he's not BHP shares, I am not silly enough to think everyone will agree with me, I am allowed to post my 2 cents though, as yiou say, it's a discussion .

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I get angry just seeing this thread title on this forum, should be on big footy. I'd rather trade some of the posters. Speculation could be postulated in a much more respectful fashion-some of it reads like the criticism of Richo back in the day at Richmond.

I wondered why there was a player that made such a big point of marking the turf, makes sense now, can't remember who just at the moment but was on the telecast.

Huge love for Frost, and works well in combination with Hibberd, he also has some go in him, puts a hurt on the opposition with his body contact. His speed totally destroys the forward 50 pressure of the opposition, we don't leak runs of goals with him in the team. With Lever back next year (who can rotate with Lewis off the bench we will be Lions '01-'03 like with our rebound.

Hardest game ever to distribute votes, almost created a fake profile just to share the love, was so happy with the even team performance. ANB, in everything early and ripper goals, Jones a great game, Lewis many good touches, Spargo all heart, Vanders made me believe, Salem a silk touch, Hibberd a rebounding threat. 6. Harmes - I counted four Dustin Martin moments where he shook a tag, hope he adjusts his game for when we play teams that like tackling as the Giants were a bit soft today. His ability to take a look and take the most damaging option rather than blaze away has shown enormous development. 5. Gawn - - is only a clown off the field, a real leader on it - did you see his chase?, no tickets on himself, it was his turn to go so he did, must have killed him 4. Oliver - his touch is becoming more damaging. 3, Frost - His best game by far, Hunt who? I swear he's breathing nitrous, the way he turns it on, I just start cackling with laughter, how can a big bloke be so fast. I hope McCartney can do the same magic with his disposal that he has done with Harmes 2, Jetta - (Should be called Jack, because he was a giant killer, laid brutal tackles today on all of the giants biggest players) people are taking defence for granted, we won this game behind the ball, stopping the Giants run cold at the half back line. 2nd Quater was where we smashed the Giants (at about 10.30m in the qtr, was when the giants realized they weren't interested in the contact 1, Brayshaw - an excellent game finding the footy, in any other week he would have had 4 votes (look at who has been left out) but he gets the last of the 6 spots because his disposal was iffy, but then I think about his goal....Is the only reason he gets in over ANB, had a cracking game as well.

love the Lou Reed quote. Italy is awesome and effed at the same time, what I love about the place, although I am riding over the bridges with some trepidation. Anyway-I'm hoping Penny Wong gets the gig before they call an election, give the mouth breathers something to really hyperventilate about. Go the Bernie Saunders option and give the people some proper choice.