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If you cannot get on the park because of injury then almost anyone who can gives you more value. I will repeat "I do not want him delisted" I hope he has a blinder in 2011

There is a couple of big differences in your arguement. Rivers played a lot more good games than Wona has before injury hit them both. I may be wrong but I do not remember Wona winning the "rising star" of the year award that Rivers won. I do not want him "gone" but I will go back to your comment that he will not be delisted. If he does not put in a good year in 2011 he will be delisted!

I think you need to get your emotions out of the equation. There is not a player on the list that cannot be delisted if they are constantly injured and cannot get on the park. Every year 4 - 6 players have to be delisted. If he has a contract for next year and is either injured or not good enough to play in the AFL side in 2011 he will be delisted. If he does not earn his spot on the list he will make way for some one else Sad but true. Why "won't it happen" ???

You are correct he really needs to be injury free. If he has a contract for next year he is very lucky because I think without that he might be for the high jump. Unfortunately I think he is injury prone. There are some players who are prevented from achieving there potential by a body that just does not seem to able to take the load. This is his third year for a handful of games and how many of those games has he played very well, from my memory 2 - 3 which are three seasons back. I have seen him three times at Casey this year and his two games at AFL level via TV. I have to say he has been ordinary, unfortuately his time may have gone past and we now have a number of players vying for his spot. 4 -5 players have to go at the end of the year. IMO he would probably be one of them. If he has a contract for 2011 that is his year to shine or it is all over with the MFC.

My God "Thomo" my memory will struggle with your plan. I hope in 12 months time we are in the eight and I will not care that you were right or wrong.

Sorry RobbieF I thought Bennel was one of our poorer players today, I hope you are right but just does not finish off well enough for me. I think he will struggle to make the trip to WA. I have not been one of Watts greatest fans however I thought he earned his spot today and he is definately playing a lot better than a month ago. And who would take his place as a tall forward?

I think he has played every game this year no chance that he will be dropped. I have been to a few Casey games I cannot see a future in: Maric - Been average in the games I have seen and we have a number of his type who are a lot better. Wona - as much as it grieves me to say he is injury prone just does not stay on the park how many good games as he actually played? Meeson - always injured and even when he is healty has shown little at Adelaide or Melb. Spencer - like Wona is injury prone some guys just never seem to be able to stay on the park. Healey - IMO not good enough. Mcnamara - another one who is injury prone, we have hardly seen him however I think he is mortal danger Bell -plays well for Casey but he is obviously mark as expendable

We are in total agreement on this one Thomo.

Don't know why but there are few Bruce haters and Rivers haters on Demonland. I can never quite work out why. Neither will ever win the Brownlow however they both play a lot more good games than bad ones. Rivers had a couple of clangers but well and truely earned his spot and Bruce was in the top 5. Not sure what they have to do to be excepted by some people on here!

Thomo I don't think you can see the forest for the trees! I specifically watched him today as he is regularly canned by a few on Demonland. He had a major clanger in the first couple of minutes and then IMO he played well. And he has just been given a new 2 year contract till the end of 2012. Obviously the management think he is a valued player and so do I. Get of his back!

You have covered my feelings exactely "Jayed" Could not have said it better.

I am 61 years young and have followed the demons ever since I can remember, I may be biased but I have never seen any one at any club like Jim Stynes! He is amazing how the guy can keep getting up off the carpet all the times amazes me. I am not fush with cash but how can you not put your hand in your pocket after seeing him last night. Cannot think of any words to describe him Amazing!

Good morning Daisy cutter you are dead right about the inconsistances in the AFL policy. Not sure if they will be wearing the wider red strip or not, IMO it makes little difference. Essendon should be wearing a white jumper on sunday. It is simply a power thing. Essendon, Collingwood and Richmond have the power and are using it. We do not. We can debate it until the cows come home and I would prefer other options. Get used to white nothing else will happen!

Daisycutter What justification would we have for a light blue colour? At the risk of offending you "get over it" the jumper will be White with red and blue trim. That is it all over all done! When we win the premiership you won't care what jumper they are wearing, well I won,t

I have noticed that when we list an extended bench it is often the last three players listed that drop out. That being the case this week Jetta, Maric and Jurrah will be playing for Casey. I have seen Jurrah play in is two come back games and will be very surprised if he gets the nod for Sunday. He still looks under done at VFL level let alone at the top level but who knows stranger thinks have happened. Interesting that we are considering giving PJ another run I thought his papers were stamped but he is the only other option as a second ruckman with Spencer injured. Please don't mention Newton he is on the rookie list and cannot play even though I would like to give him a go.

I agree "Demon Jack" Never quite sure why some people hate Rivers so much. Like most players he has good days and not so good days. But I rarely see him put in a shocker! Our Back line is always under pressure, until we start to exert some forward line / scoring pressure our backmen's error are always going to look bad. Even Geelong's backline has goals kicked against it. When you are winning small errors do not get magnified the way they do when you are loosing. Rivers is a good reliable backman, and will be part of our team for some time.

Guys I spoken to two people at the MFC this afternoon. It will be a white jumper, AFL have decreed it so and we do not have the power to fight them. We need them more than they need us. I am not trying to be rude but we had better get over it. Pies and bombers have the power and do not comply. When we have 50 000 members, have $5 million in the bank and won the last three flags we might fight it. I should live that long!

I have checked out the position for all those like myself who are unsure on the position re "Clash Jumpers". Excuse me those who already know the following. The AFL decides when a "clash Jumper" will be worn. The AFL has decreed that all clash jumpers must be predominately white! All clubs with the exception of Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond have a mainly white jumper. The other exception is Geelong, who's clash strip has more blue than the home jumper ( go figure). Interetsing that the teams with a lot of black ( the hardest colour to see ) do not abide by the AFL decision. No largely red jumpers will be considered. So in our case we have to chose a design that is white with Red and Blue highlights. The MFC will abide by the AFL directive, next year it will be white with additions similar to the MCC emblems etc. I have in the last couple of hours experienced a "conversion on the road to Demascus". I am all for the concept, what really anoys me is losing! if we had beat St Kilda on Sunday I would not have noticed the white jumper. Like it or not we will have to get used to a predominately white jumper. End of story.

It is all about power / muscle! Essendon and Collingwood are powerful and have plenty of money, a few years ago when the AFL was pushing the idea of "away / clash jumpers" They told the AFL to go jump, they would not move from their traditional jumpers. Melbourne on the other hand was close to going broke and needed hand outs from the AFL to survive. So guess what our discussion was " yes Sir, no Sir three bags full Mr. AFl. So we wear whatever the AFL decides. I hate the white jumper but we have no choice. I think it is more an "away jumper" now. Maybe wrong but that would account for why we wore it last sunday.

Guys we seldom have more than two changes that are not forced by injury. There will be I think only two changes. Mcdonald will not be risked and what for he has another year in him if we do not push him unecessarily. And for what reason we are not about to play finals. Bailey normally gives players more than one game at senior level so that makes Spencer and Cheney safe. IMO the changes will be: Out Jetta and Grimes (injured ). In Sylvia and either Bail or Morton.

Interesting Idea, Not as silly as it sounds. Played ok at Casey last weekend. He currently has a lot better basic skills than Spencer and PJ. If it is a goer we should see him play in the ruck a lot more for Casey.

It might be his only salvation! I think he is in real danger of being cut.

They both worry me, I have seen plenty of examples of players over the years that are injury prone. This pair seem to fit the mould. More so Wona but I have a horrible gut feel thay will never reach their full potential. From what I have seen ( Including Casey ) Wona has played 4 -5 good games not great games over 3 years ). He may be close to the end by August, Strauss has the luxury of a little more time. Remember 4 - 5 players have to be cut at the end of the year!

You have my vote the above says it all with Jake and if we can give the likes of PJ and Jamar a number of years surely we can invest another year or two in Spencer.

Has anyone read the " Player review" on the MFC website? I am surprised we lost hardly any player got a poor rap. I must have been watching the wrong game. On the basis of that anyalsis there will be very few changes. Best I can see on that basis is Sylvia in and if Cheney suspended than perhaps Bail. Seems the rest were ok! Pity we lost!