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Based (only) on the stats, perhaps his confidence has taken a bit of a hit ... Learning curve.

Weideman for Hannan. Apart from anything else, lets us leave Tom McD up forward the whole match as Weideman would cover for Gawn. Tyson for Viney seems obvious, perhaps they wanted more pace against the Dogs, but do we need more grunt against Geelong?

Pinch hitting in the ruck for starters. Would enable us to leave Tom Mac forward the whole game, and ensure that even when either Tom or Hogan are resting, we still have 2 talls up forward.

You do when you take him out ... which is one of the reasons so many were wanting him back in when Petty/J Smith went out. Though what Vince adds isn't really the question. It's what the bloke he played on adds, and from what I can see, it's generally not much. Bernie still knows how to shut someone down.

Some of the best footy we've played for quite a while, hope we can take it forward, will need all we can next week down at Geelong. Bummer that we lost the Saints game. Would be sitting second now.

It's really simple. We have too many players who aren't good enough. (Also a few who aren't quick enough.)

You mean like Lewis was pilloried for doing last week?

Seriously? Frost has cost us 2 goals.

Sam Frost. Runs back to the goal and leaves Schache free: goal. Kicks to Gawn but in a 1 on 3. Johannisen clears, goal. If we lose this (possible), it'll be because of events like the above - and not only Frost. Just too many turnovers and sloppy disposals.

Regardless of whether JKH is decent or not, we have one more player that's not used to playing with the rest of the team. Him flying against Salem in the back line was a classic example. It's not just Viney out that's the problem, but that these outs upset balance and stability. Could see us losing this, but there are just too many players out there who are fringe players. This is NOT a well-oiled machine.

If ever that happens, try coming in through Channel (in the middle up the top), rather than Matches.

Not working out too well for Hawthorn at the moment.

Happy to have Vince back, not sure who he's replacing down back that's currently available. Wagner? Also pleased to see them giving JKH a go. As above, Last Chance Hotel, but at least no-one will die not knowing.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-11/bad-luck-for-billy-demon-could-miss-season

Only 4 Players listed as injured. Joel Smith is a Test, plus Lever, Maynard and Hunt. Shortest injury list in the AFL. Credit where it's due. Edit: Might have gone too early (!), seems Stretch could be added to that. Would make us equal lowest, with Brisbane. FWIW ...

Nah, makes too much sense.

Yeah, why give an experienced player the benefit of the doubt when you can indulge in some speculative negativity.

Nonsense. He saw that Hibberd was leading for the ball, and set himself to receive it. As he should have. Hibberd then mishandled it - understandable in the wet, but under normal circumstances, the ball would have been cleared through Lewis.

The players: "In Darwin it's like wet weather football". First rule of wet weather football: just keep the ball moving forward, by whatever means possible. Includes kicks off the ground.

Lewis won't get dropped. Nor should he be. Don't think there'll be many changes, apart from Tyson (big game today it seems) I'm not even sure who there is at Casey who's pushing for inclusion the way the likes of Stretch were. Perhaps Vince, but then for the whole season, people had been calling for Vince to be dropped so ...

Great to get the win, particularly great to see that we limited them to 7 goals, after we let 18 goals in last week. Against that, some really sloppy ball-in-hand play, (Hogan DE 42%), and inside 50's still leaving a lot to be desired. Also, not sure about J Smith forward, or the reason behind it, why drop Tim Smith or Weideman if we need that third marking target? Thought Stretch showed a bit, continues to develop and mature, a few nice/classy moves. Still, given the opposition and the conditions, hard to take too much out of it, the next week or two will give us a better idea of where we are. Finally, will be surprised if Jones is still (co) captain next year. Slowly easing past his peak.

It's always panic stations for most round here.

This is just hindsight bias. Go back and read the same thread from last week. Plenty had nominated Weideman in on the back of a breakout game at Casey, just as plenty were pleased to see Petty - who'd been doing well in the VFL - coming in for Vince, who many here had been calling for to be dropped all season. Neither Spargo or Garlett did particular well in their last games in the AFL, and neither of them have done particularly well at Casey since. They're in because of the conditions in Darwin, but they've hardly been banging the door down.

Hard to argue with the outs, like for like position-wise, except we've exchanged a tall + small forward for two smalls. Tyson done? Would be a shame, he has some abilities.

You're presuming the coaching box can't see this. I'd suggest that the coaching box see exactly what's going on, and then some. But this idea that we can then suddenly switch to Plan B, and everything will be hunky dory ... if that was even half true, no team would ever loose a match of footy, and every team would win the GF every year. Though as if this whole Plan B idea existed in the first place - it took Paul Roos 2+ years to build a half-way decent Plan A, yet alone developing Plans B, C, D etc. to use as contingencies. Players play/execute well, you give yourself a chance. If they don't, no amount of Plans B, selections, positional changes etc. are going to do much more than minimise the damage.