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No, it doesn't make you a male, it makes you a person with male sex organs and XY chromosomes. Gender and sex are not the same - even though are commonly used interchangeably. Nor is male/female differentiation always a clearly-defined line. Tricky one under the circumstances, feel for her.

If it's true, it's all the more reason to ship Watts out, and only confirms Mahoney's comment re Watts' "negative influence" (whatever the exact wording was) on younger players.

No they don't. In any case, no-one's an "ardent fan of the decision", and as for "lament" .... Jesus wept, it's a list management decision that you think helps or you don't. You're also confusing the decision (i.e., the way it was made and the processes employed to reach it) with the outcome (JW leaving).

"Quite simply, previous regimes have been prepared to settle for less from Jack and I don’t think the Simon Goodwin cartel will."

Except for the bit across the middle of that where he was (the only player) effectively dropped during the pre-season. Fact.

In what universe? Watts was only ever a second rounder. And once again, what clubs say has nothing to do with how other clubs value a player. If it were the case, all it will take is for Free to talk up Harley Balic and we'll be falling over ourselves to give them a first rounder.

While I'm touched that you remember what I did/didn't contribute to the thread, I was simply posting a quote from Mahoney re who was behind the decision. (Hint: not just Goodwin).

Sad to see him go, the club won't be the same without him. Which is the point.

Interesting quote from Mahoney on where the decision was coming from: "the list management group felt that Jack's consistency of performance while at Melbourne hasn't been at the level expected"

- the "he was 6th in the counting before he was injured" claim has never been substantiated - it ignores other players who missed games early in the season, thus suppressing their vote (e.g. Hibberd, Lewis) and placing Watts higher than he otherwise would have been - it ignores average votes per match over the whole season - selective and smaller sample sizes (e.g., half a season) can produce outlier and unrepresentative results (both too high and too low) - it illustrates exactly what the FD have been saying about Jack's inconsistency Anyway, he's gone.

Apart from moving up from 36 to 34 it's what we got.

Stating the obvious I would have thought.

The truth has come out. It's just that you won't accept it.

If Jack only gets us a shitty trade it's got nothing to do with the negotiating abilities of the club and everything to do with the shitty performances onfield and off of Mr. Watts. Clubs may want him, but they aren't stupid. 21st in the B&F says all you need to know. How the mighty have fallen.

Once again, Demonland asking the big questions.

Presumably this is at Bernie's wedding (via Matt Jones)

Because too many clubs are aware of his shortcomings. People keep only looking at one side of the ledger here.

Watts isn't worth a first-rounder.

For a guy who finished 21st in the B&F, was dropped to the two's after being held back from pre-season matches for a half-baked attitude to pre-season. If we get pick 30 we'll be doing well. It's all he's worth. Reality.

Yes, because teams' trade strategies are completely based on remarks from opposition coaches/captains in the press. Tex Walker and half of Adelaide running down Lever doesn't seem to have had much impact on the price we had to pay for him.

And you know this how? It's the trade period. Comments and media on trades are handled by the FD/list managers, i.e. Mahoney and Viney. As with every club. The amount of "I just completely made this up" BS on this thread is reaching new lows (or heights), even by D'Land standards.

Apparently there was a meeting at Geelong with club leaders and a few of the management team, and he didn't even turn up. A few of the Geelong posters on BigFooty seem to know about it/have had it confirmed. Make of it what you will, but he seems a troubled lad at the moment.

About sums up what you think this is about, some kind of popularity contest. The word that's missing in your post, as in many of a similar ilk is "respect". Apparently many Melbourne players like Jack Watts. But do they respect him as a player and team mate? Same with the club - the players may well disagree on a personal level with the decision to move Watts on. But do they respect it? I'm sure that the players understand only too well that to make an omelette you have to break eggs. Even popular ones.

This is just ridiculous. It's not some Sunday morning kick to kick with your mates. These are professionals, working in a professional environment. Everyone knows what the rules are. Grasping at straws.

In the last few minutes, H Sun reporting that Watts has chosen Port. Won't be announced till after Stringer trade goes through, though what the connection is I'm not sure. Agree on the above re Port cap questions, but someone posted that they had plenty of room, so impossible to know. Think the Motlop to Port move would give Watts more, not less, of an incentive as it makes them more of a destination club. Picks could be the sticking point, Port only have second round picks in the thirties (or thereabouts).