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None of us know where this is coming from. There was a lot of info around what was going on with Geelong that only they could know. Today’s could have been Oliver’s management. etc etc

We suspended Steven May for drinking while in concussion protocols, while May and Melksham had to do community service after their punch-up. Don't think we're reluctant to apply penalties where necessary. Perhaps in Oliver's case suspension and/or missing matches wasn't seen to be in anyone's best interest. He needs routine. Difficult to get the balance right.

Found out what exactly? Found out that we wouldn't be getting 2 first rounders for him? Also hard to believe that the Board only "found out" in the last day or two when this has been going on for a week or more. We'll never know the true story here, but I suspect that the only real reason this isn't going through is that we can't get Oliver's salary off our books plus a couple of decent picks. Could be wrong of course.

Aren't interviews with Viney always awkward?

ADHD is not a mental health issue. It's neurological disorder. However, living with it can create mental health issues though equally, people with ADHD can enjoy perfect mental health in the right environment and with the right support.

"The false dilemma fallacy involves presenting a limited number of options as if they were the only options available. This forces people to choose between two extremes, even though there is a spectrum of possibilities in between. The fallacy is misleading and prevents honest debate."

None of which is true, much less a fact.

FWIW, I listened to some of the "what's next for the Dees in 2025" and the cough pundits cough had us in the window and/or with a bright future (JVR, Judd, Pickett, Rivers etc). With caveats of course, but no reason to write us off yet. And we actually did OK earlier in the year with an underdone Oliver so who knows. Always look on the bright side ...

A player with ongoing personal/behavioural issues who has been average at best for the last 18 months and who's on a massive contract until he's 33. None of that is going to help his worth. The other question in all this that hasn't been brought up anywhere, would Oliver be prepared to take a pay cut to help this go through?

Also no surprise that these issues arise in off-season. And just in regards to all this: seeing what we've seen over the last 18 months I'd be surprised if Oliver can make it through the remaining 6 years of his contract, regardless of where he's playing.

Only goes so far with ADHD (though can certainly help), and there can be side effects which might be incompatible with elite level sport. But biggest issue is consistency, with many people stopping their medication or not taking it as required.

Unless I'm missing something, we don't know who was contacted but it wasn't just Geelong.

None of this information is public so we have no real info, but from what's available elsewhere Goodwin would just be one vote amongst the 4. Which is to stop coaches driving the list off a cliff for short-term gains. In any case, putting two and two together, whatever Goodwin's feelings are he has to support Oliver publicly in case none of this goes through and they have to work together going forward.

That would be the List Management committee that every club has. Ours includes Lamb, Taylor, Goodwin and presumably Richardson.

Even deciding over the course of a few days and a couple of visits that you want to change clubs after nearly a decade is classic ADHD. (Plenty of reports that up to a week or two ago he was all in and full of love for the Dees).

Not a theory.

People really need to remember that Clarry has ADHD. And always will have, his brain is hard-wired that way. So … difficult to suppress impulses, may not stop to consider a situation, or consequences before pursuing a course of action, etc etc. It may come across as immaturity, but it goes a lot deeper than that. I for one want him gone, unfortunately, but I really feel for him.

Yes sad. But it seems the club from top to bottom has been “sorting this out” for 18 months or so (that we know of …) and for whatever reason we’ve reached the end of the road. The internal review may have played a part in bringing issues to a head, or in unearthing problems that we’d thought were behind us, but whatever. Here we are. Time to move on, thankful that we got the best years of Clayton’s career.

Pert hasn’t gone rogue. This is club-wide, from the board down. There’s enough info out there.

Demonland: we need a review, we need heads to roll. Club implements review, Clayton Oliver is shown the door. Demonland: not that kind of review

Across the AFL all coaches’ jobs are always on the line but yes. And this is why you don’t give your head coach too much say in List Management. Short term vs long term/big picture goals. Clarkson spoke about it re his time at Hawthorn, that he was only one voice on the List Management Committee.

You're assuming he's calling list managers. (Reportedly the Oliver-Geelong meeting was with their CEO and President.)

There's not much that goes on within clubs that other clubs/players don't know about - regardless of what comes out in the press or on social media.