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They organised that pretty quick ... pre-planned? Why would Oliver spend a couple of days in Sydney before heading to the U.S.?

We don't. Though at the moment, the presumption is that Mihocek comes in, Petty takes May's place, which leaves Adams is still knocking on the door - well, at least while Tom Mac is there.

If I'm GC, I'm fighting tooth and nail to keep Humphrey. Can't see it happening myself, and this site would go into meltdown if the boot were on the other foot and we traded away our equivalent. (Kozzie?)

Getting Humphrey in is only half of the equation. Need something for Gold Coast back the other way.

Typo?

And that's not going to change, he is what he is.

You didn't get them wrong. The info was correct at the time.

Not necessarily. Maybe we're trying to create opportunity for players like Rivers, Langford, even Windsor and Linsday, backing them in to get the job done. Sure, baptism of fire and all that, but if they're our future midfield they need to start getting serious midfield minutes.

I think you can see the logic in all this. For a while I’ve felt that all those close games we "just lost" (without even starting on the St Kilda game!) point to a lack of on-field ownership, not just leadership. It’s not that we don’t have leaders — we do. But sometimes strong leaders can dominate so much that others stop stepping up. Who do we really have behind Max and Viney? Petracca has shown he isn’t that type of leader. Not a knock — he contributes in his own way. But in that final centre bounce against St Kilda, Petracca was in the middle: standing there with his arms out. Asking the question rather than taking it upon himself to find a solution. Same even moreso with Oliver. We need the Rivers, Chandlers, even younger players like Lindsay to see themselves as leaders, to take responsibility and own what happens on-field. But for that to happen, the environment has to let them. Rivers is never going to call out Petracca. Max mentioned Turner as a good young leader - but is he going to be the on-field leader he could be with May out there? The King interview was revealing - one of his points is that there's little difference across the league these days in terms of what's possible. But then it turns on culture, leadership, belief, ownership. So rather than just try and fill the team with star players, he's looking to build these other qualities.

I can understand why Oliver is being moved on this year but wasn't the preceding 2 years. In 2023 we were still contending, and he was still a superstar struggling to come back from a bad injury. The lack of pre-season etc then wiped out his 24 season, and we perhaps presumed that with a decent pre-season last year he'd be back to something like his All-Australian self. Which hasn't been the case. In spite of his ability to play a role and some signs of improvement, the club seem to feel that those heady days are now behind him - remembering again that they'd have access to all his fitness and performance data. My only confusion in all this, is why he wasn't presented with this info at his exit interview, as Steven May was. Perhaps they needed a final sign-off from King or whatever, but it's still not ideal. Against that, there are still players from other clubs being delisted this week, so it's not exactly outside of the window either, but ... ?

My read on it as well. I suspect that the fitness team have come to the conclusion that for whatever reason, Oliver can't get back up to required fitness levels and in particular, get his speed up to where it needs to be. So either he needs to play a different, less-demanding role, or be moved on. (There may be other factors as well, of course.)

Not just King.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

Taylor. Lamb does all the negotiations, list strategy, contracts, hustling, yadda yadda. Which is why after working a full-on 40 hour week he's not getting up on a Saturday morning to stand in the cold at suburban footy ovals watching fringe AFL players like Campbell and Heath running round in the VFL.

You'd think that this would make GC even keener to get Petracca.

You didn't need the "extensively". Also widely discussed, head coaches participate in the process but are just one voice/vote. Chris Scott and others have spoken about it.

Jason Taylor "In late 2012 I was appointed National Recruiting Manager of the Melbourne Football Club; duties include Managing the National/International recruiting and talent Identification programs, List Management Committee and player selection in the National and Rookie Drafts." Notwithstanding the above, your claim that Taylor suddenly stops monitoring players once they're on an AFL list is ... mind-boggling.

As were Salem and Pickett.

Seriously? Lamb doesn't answer to King. And if you have an issue with players we're recruiting, for the thousandth time, you need to be speaking to Jason Taylor who's head of recruitment and is also on the list management committee.

Almost certainly losing 3, not much potential about it. As for the rest, a) it's demonstrably untrue, we've been linked to a number of players, you only have to read this board, and b) the 3 you mentioned are all smart choices, for different reasons: Mhocek brings experience and on-field leadership to a very young forward line, more importantly he'll take the no. 1 defender and relieve pressure on the likes of JVR. Derksen provides KPD depth, also essential when May is gone, Tom Mac is on his last rodeo and the only tall defender we have coming through is Adams. Heath is essential for our longer term as someone to take over from Max and provide backup and ruck depth, especially now that Verrall is gone. List management 101.

A deal will get done.

I suspect he could easily become accustomed to more forward time with Rowell and Anderson feeding it to him. But I understood that what they were saying is that at the Crows Trac only has one role, midfield. But he's a more flexible player than that, which would suit the Suns better. i.e., there's more scope for him at the Suns.

Cornes recognises the importance of McVee even if plenty of his team's supporters don't. A big loss.

FWIW, on the couch both Brown and Buckley think Gold Coast is a better fit as Petracca can be more damaging up forward where the Suns are a bit light on and inexperienced. And as Buckley said, Adelaide need a big-bodied mid, but they need a better kicker.