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Just a little bit selective perhaps? Also not entirely accurate. Daniher was traded in 2020, and for the Dogs you've omitted Coffield who hasn't exactly transformed their team. You've also omitted the trading of 8 teams, which completely skews your comparisons. Cherry-picking. You've also omitted players traded OUT, which also falls under list management. Even amongst the clubs you've listed there are a few who would be on a net loss when you look at who they've lost. e.g. Fremantle - Cerra, Schultz, Lobb, Henry were all established in their team. Finally, you can't compare without context. A team lower down the ladder with few big salaries to manage, lots of cap space and more high draft picks will always have a stronger hand come trade time.

"Campbell reached his 50th AFL game during the 2021 season, where he was lauded by his teammates and coaches for his leadership and guidance while playing tandem in the ruck with Todd Goldstein." "Considered a strong clubman and mentor to younger players, Campbell won the Saints 2023 Best Clubman Award, with the Saints’ Executive General Manager of Football describing Campbell’s impact on the club as ‘profound." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Campbell_(footballer,_born_1991)

This. Also, no-one who can play regular game time as the number 1 ruck is coming for anything lower than our ANB pick 25.

Low risk, almost certainly low outlay, provides cover. The other point for mine is at the very least he helps keep Casey competitive - essential in terms of the development of younger players and keeping pressure on the AFL players. You can't learn to implement a game plan or even learn much at all if you're being knocked from pillar to post each weekend. No accident that Casey were strong from around 2018 > 2023. We've lost BB, Schache, Tomlinson and effectively Smith who were all Casey regulars, we need some decent talls with a bit of experience or our reserve team will fall off a cliff, which won't help anyone.

Hopefully got a rocket in his exit interview, but not holding my breath that it'll do anything. The moment to step up was 12 months ago.

Absolutely - but the fact that there's a List Management Committee would suggest that list management is more than a one-man show and straddles various departments within the club. At least.

But Taylor and his team are watching Reserves and State league matches. Not to mention drafts, so they would follow players going forward. Players like Fullarton would fall in that basket. But I don't agree that we're failing - shocking though that may seem to some here. We have minimal cap space or picks, and when you trade in lower-ranked speculative players on low salaries and even lower picks for depth you can't complain when they don't set the world on fire. Every team has 44 players, and 25% of those will either never play an AFL game or establish themselves at AFL level. We're no exception. The fact that some traded players don't make it is the norm, not the exception. Lamb has kept the list together and we don't have salary cap issues. Tick. He's doing the essential part of his job well.

Chandler doesn't have the fitness. Though almost no-one has ANB's fitness and ability to run all day. Understand the criticisms of ANB's onfield shortcomings, but I think people are underestimating what he brings both onfield and off as a leader. Will be missed at a time when leadership is something we're crying out for post-Gus and given the Oliver/Trac/Smith issues. Thank god Melksham did enough to earn himself another year.

It's also Jason Taylor, who sits on the List Management Committee.

Not disagreeing, but odd because he was definitely seen and used as a ruck (+ forward) at Brisbane.

Agree with everything else but not this. Not all trades work out, and that's across the board. You only have to look at the number of players who have been cut in recent weeks who are onto their second or even third clubs. The best scouts and recruiters in the world are perfectly capable of both picking duds and missing gems. No-one has a crystal ball.

That would be Jason Taylor and his team.

Of course they're responsible. Tim Lamb isn't flying round the country watching state league matches and the head of recruiting is a member of the list management committee.

We didn't "let" him go, he was UFA and was free to go where he wanted.

Mid November. Though to put that in context, we were playing finals. Equally, he may feel that it's better in terms of kickstarting his recovery to get onto it sooner rather and later.

Without even going any further than your first point and irrespective of its merits, there's a list managent committee composed of (AFAIK) Goodwin, Richardson, Lamb and Jason Taylor. i.e., all of these calls are collective, with recruitment and identification of talent being Taylor's area.

You do realise that those 3 all work together and that Taylor has a say in List Management? Also that recruiting doesn't stop at the draft.

4 players with AFL debuts last year, 5 this year.

Can't be underestimated. Max mentioned in an interview that he feels like he hasn't had a real break for 4 years. No accident either that our flag came after a season where we missed finals.

Reporting to the General Manager Football Operations we are seeking an experienced Head of List Management to oversee the playing list of the Club, including devising and implementing the list strategy, negotiating all player contracts, managing the acquisition and retention of players, management of the total player payments and working with the coaching and recruiting team on identification and acquisition of talent through the national draft, free agency/trades, international and alternate athletes and STKFC academies (father son/next generation). In the role you will be responsible for: • Managing key relationships with players, coaches and internal staff • Managing and fostering strong key relationships with player managers, State talent managers and AFL staff • Overhauling and overseeing the systems and processes of player and contract data storage and management for list management and recruiting • Undertaking strategic planning for short, medium and long-term list management for the Club • Managing the strategy of and adherence to the critical total player payments function • Managing and negotiating contracts for all listed players and prospective players • Overseeing the strategy, operations and recruitment of players via all available methods – draft, trade, free agency, academies, alternate/international athletes • Retaining all required players of the club, including working closely with the leadership program, welfare and high- performance staff to ensure player aptitudes and needs are clearly understood and met • Assisting the General Manager Football Operations to establish and manage clear cultural and high-performance standards for staff and players https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/StKilda/Head of List Management.pdf

https://www.indaily.com.au/sport/football/2022/09/16/when-list-manager-is-the-afls-most-important-job

Agree, though we need to take many/most of the comments here in the context of your opening sentence.

“We are really pleased to offer Jake another contract and extend his time in the red and blue,” Demons’ List Manager Tim Lamb said. Melbourne's list manager managing the list.

Or not.

They may start to try Windsor more on-ball.