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Hopefully got a rocket in his exit interview, but not holding my breath that it'll do anything. The moment to step up was 12 months ago.

Absolutely - but the fact that there's a List Management Committee would suggest that list management is more than a one-man show and straddles various departments within the club. At least.

But Taylor and his team are watching Reserves and State league matches. Not to mention drafts, so they would follow players going forward. Players like Fullarton would fall in that basket. But I don't agree that we're failing - shocking though that may seem to some here. We have minimal cap space or picks, and when you trade in lower-ranked speculative players on low salaries and even lower picks for depth you can't complain when they don't set the world on fire. Every team has 44 players, and 25% of those will either never play an AFL game or establish themselves at AFL level. We're no exception. The fact that some traded players don't make it is the norm, not the exception. Lamb has kept the list together and we don't have salary cap issues. Tick. He's doing the essential part of his job well.

Chandler doesn't have the fitness. Though almost no-one has ANB's fitness and ability to run all day. Understand the criticisms of ANB's onfield shortcomings, but I think people are underestimating what he brings both onfield and off as a leader. Will be missed at a time when leadership is something we're crying out for post-Gus and given the Oliver/Trac/Smith issues. Thank god Melksham did enough to earn himself another year.

It's also Jason Taylor, who sits on the List Management Committee.

Not disagreeing, but odd because he was definitely seen and used as a ruck (+ forward) at Brisbane.

Agree with everything else but not this. Not all trades work out, and that's across the board. You only have to look at the number of players who have been cut in recent weeks who are onto their second or even third clubs. The best scouts and recruiters in the world are perfectly capable of both picking duds and missing gems. No-one has a crystal ball.

That would be Jason Taylor and his team.

Of course they're responsible. Tim Lamb isn't flying round the country watching state league matches and the head of recruiting is a member of the list management committee.

We didn't "let" him go, he was UFA and was free to go where he wanted.

Mid November. Though to put that in context, we were playing finals. Equally, he may feel that it's better in terms of kickstarting his recovery to get onto it sooner rather and later.

Without even going any further than your first point and irrespective of its merits, there's a list managent committee composed of (AFAIK) Goodwin, Richardson, Lamb and Jason Taylor. i.e., all of these calls are collective, with recruitment and identification of talent being Taylor's area.

You do realise that those 3 all work together and that Taylor has a say in List Management? Also that recruiting doesn't stop at the draft.

4 players with AFL debuts last year, 5 this year.

Can't be underestimated. Max mentioned in an interview that he feels like he hasn't had a real break for 4 years. No accident either that our flag came after a season where we missed finals.

Reporting to the General Manager Football Operations we are seeking an experienced Head of List Management to oversee the playing list of the Club, including devising and implementing the list strategy, negotiating all player contracts, managing the acquisition and retention of players, management of the total player payments and working with the coaching and recruiting team on identification and acquisition of talent through the national draft, free agency/trades, international and alternate athletes and STKFC academies (father son/next generation). In the role you will be responsible for: • Managing key relationships with players, coaches and internal staff • Managing and fostering strong key relationships with player managers, State talent managers and AFL staff • Overhauling and overseeing the systems and processes of player and contract data storage and management for list management and recruiting • Undertaking strategic planning for short, medium and long-term list management for the Club • Managing the strategy of and adherence to the critical total player payments function • Managing and negotiating contracts for all listed players and prospective players • Overseeing the strategy, operations and recruitment of players via all available methods – draft, trade, free agency, academies, alternate/international athletes • Retaining all required players of the club, including working closely with the leadership program, welfare and high- performance staff to ensure player aptitudes and needs are clearly understood and met • Assisting the General Manager Football Operations to establish and manage clear cultural and high-performance standards for staff and players https://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/StKilda/Head of List Management.pdf

https://www.indaily.com.au/sport/football/2022/09/16/when-list-manager-is-the-afls-most-important-job

Agree, though we need to take many/most of the comments here in the context of your opening sentence.

“We are really pleased to offer Jake another contract and extend his time in the red and blue,” Demons’ List Manager Tim Lamb said. Melbourne's list manager managing the list.

Or not.

They may start to try Windsor more on-ball.

We also had higher picks to use for trades.

When did lamb "stuff up the numbers"? We've always had the spots available we needed.

Lots of Hindsight Harry's on here. People also forget Lamb's role in trading picks to get us the likes of Jackson and Pickett, or more recently Tholstrup (early days, but early signs are OK). Not to mention his role in actually Managing The List, which is after all his job title - every player we needed to re-sign has, including some on big contracts.

Is it not possible to shunt off all the Peter Lawrence discussion into its own thread? Tedious.