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J Pod was a seriously good goal kicker who adapted better than a lot of clubs thought to AFL. Smith isn't the same player. Doesn't have the size or goal kicking. If he was to make AFL it would be on the back of rounding out his game with good forward pressure, ability to get up the ground and then some marking and goal kicking. He's nicknamed Bull and impressed with his follow up work this year. I think he'd be somewhere between a mix of Tory Dickson from the Dogs and Vanders for us. A 3rd tall who can provide a contest in the air and on the ground.

It's a deep draft and there's more than a handful of decent delisted players floating around this year. I don't think it will be much of a risk to wait until a rookie pick for Downie or someone of his quality.

Tom Boyd. But on a far cheaper contract. An emerging forward who also has the size and skills to go in to the ruck for a decent part of the game. Or Rory Lobb. Barring that massive preseasons for Sam Weideman and Mitch King.

I had heard before the season that Port were planning to rookie him. They have 4 picks in the first 31. It wouldn't shock me if they used their last pick on him. Essendon at pick 41 would also love a Rioli I think. But I'm far from an expert.

If you list it in terms of position he's down the order, but list it in terms of quality on the list as I did and he's ahead of plenty. If we do have too many good players at half back and weaknesses elsewhere I think we are better off moving players to different spots instead of leaving good players on the rookie list. Stretch is a wingman. Salem can easily play forward/mid. Melksham and Hunt can go to a wing. Vince can play midfield. I'd love to try Jetta as a defensive forward. And Wagner can play as the third tall defender for the right match up. Lumumba is done.

I'd have Trengove, Lumumba, Pedersen, Spencer, Vince (retired), JKH, ANB (traded), Garland (retired/paid out) all ahead of Wagner to not be retained on the senior list next year. That's 8 already and there's a few more other options. I can see the point of not upgrading Wagner, especially if Smith or White come on. But I also think Wagner is good enough to be around the mark at AFL level for a while and by upgrading him we get a number of advantages: 1. He can play without restriction 2. We rookie a kid instead of giving a 2 year deal to a pick 80+ 3. We can front load his new contract to spend more salary next year and save salary in 2018. 4. Josh gets financial security and peace of mind to develop. He doesn't have to overtrain or play injured, be shunted around positions or thrown in to the side late in the year to see if he's up to it. We believe culture is important and clubs believing in players is surely a big part of that.

Pats Vikings Chiefs Keep forgetting to do my tips the last few weeks. Not a great season as a bears fan. They've stripped the roster to build through the draft with a defensive focus and almost every starter on the defense has been injured and half the offense has too. A total mess. The one highlight was the Hoyer looked was doing a fantastic job keeping the Bears in games without winning to facilitate a nice tank job and now he's injured, Cutler comes back to try and save his job and the Bears might just be dumb enough to keep him.

Always check the AFL player ratings when discussing a player. They aren't always perfect but they'll give you their age and a pretty good understanding of where a player is at in their career. http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/116187/Nick-KOMMER

The Freon Demons sound like a workplace team of a fridge repair company. Now I know Jeff's filled out a bit but I'd hope he isn't the size of a fridge yet. Then again, hasn't stopped Darren Jarman's kid getting drafted this year.

To answer the OP: Yes he had great desperation and was a good scrappy pressure forward for a while there in 2013. But then has had 2014 and 2015 wrecked by injury and did very little this year. I'd like to add a pressure forward to our list but not an injury prone 26 year old with poor skills, limited ability to get the ball and limited flexibility to play any other position. None of them are perfect but Garlett, Kennedy, Harmes and Vandenberg all offer far more than Kommer and there's no desperate need to add another depth player to that group.

Fitzy (and some of the others) getting delisted when the Hawks have nothing but late picks tells me they know they can't win the flag next year and would rather have speculative young talent than mature depth players. The football romantic in me thinks Fitzy is an interesting option to consider for our back up ruck/forward role but my head says we are better off trying to find a long term option. Litherland is also a guy with enough talent to be on an AFL list somewhere.

Played a fair bit forward or back at GC. Don't think he has the athleticism to ruck full time but he does have a dip nor the skills to play key position at either end. I know they've got Witts but a little surprised they didn't hang on to him for 1 more year. The delisted GC ruckman I like the look of more just based on stats and some highlight videos is Cameron Loersch http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/118611/Cameron-LOERSCH http://www.goldcoastfc.com.au/video/2015-11-27/rookie-highlights-cameron-loersch

Garland was ordinary when he signed the extension. He didn't really get any worse, he's just no good. I hope he improves this year with a good preseason but it seems very unlikely. Xavier Richards might not be any good either but he's young enough that he might change. And yeah, he wasn't happy with the Swans pay offer so he threw the toys from the cot, that doesn't bother me. No club would trade for him and there doesn't seem to be a huge line up to sign him now. I think he'd find the whole experience rather humbling and want to prove himself at a new home. Anyway, I'm not convinced we'd want him and we'd have to get him as a rookie or pull a shock delisting, both of which seem unlikely.

I don't mind Everitt. Inconsistent as hell but hard leading and difficult to match up on at half forward. But I don't see him in our best 22 and I don't think he's the depth player we need. I'd have him in the same boat as Green, Barlow and probably others. If we had extra list spots I'd take him but we don't. We need to bring in 3+ more talented kids and try to fill holes in spots we don't have a lot of depth (ruck, speed, tall back).

I thought he took up a huge challenge to go up to the Gold Coast and played his backside off for the first 3 or 4 years or whatever it was until that first shoulder injury. Yeah he's not the perfect captain by any stretch and couldn't fix their cultural problems but on field he was great and it's not like he contributes to off field problems, he just can't seem to fix them. When Gold Coast extended his initial contract on big money with their team heading backwards I thought it was a bad deal for both sides. Gaz didn't get to finish his career with a successful team playing forward and having fun winning and the Suns wasted 1 million a year hoping for a midfielder who's body can't deliver that any more. If you blame Ablett for it I think you have to blame the Suns as well.

Pick 47 minus a 25% or whatever discount probably comes out so cheaply that the Hawks could match it or go in to draft debt next year to match it. Given the AFL let both Geel and Hawthorn bend the future pick trading rules I'm sure they will do the same with a father son bid. The Jarman kid does look an interesting prospect. I get the feeling both clubs are trying to keep a lid on him. Would only be fair if Melbourne got the draft him just like we did his father.

2nd round pick - doesn't mean much State captain - of Tassie, doesn't mean much, can you name any others? Leading goal kicker - of Brisbane. About as relevant as Matty Wright leading Carlton's or the years when Millers, Dawes etc led ours I think the question is his talent. At 24 he's been given long enough to develop and commit.

No number of years with fully deter people taking illicit drugs. Only have to look at idiots getting hanged in South East Asia to work that one out. The false story stuff is worth a penalty. Taking illicit drugs shouldn't mean anything to ASADA unless they can show it had PED's in it. No different to eating a meal or drinking a sports drink. I used the example of Ben Cousins in relation to the illicit drug policy preventing AFL players falling in to dangerous drug abuse problems. That's all it's relevant to. Has nothing to do with an ASADA penalty.

Good for you. Whitfield's hardly a party animal by the sounds of things. Elite endurance runner, no other issues with drugs or the law. Sounds like a clean living football nerd for the most part. He went out with his local mates and one time he said yes instead of no. How about the way we deal with all other legal issues in Australia where you are innocent until proven guilty and judges use their discretion to apply fair penalties based on the severity of the crime. I understand softening the laws does create less incentive to do the right thing but a 6 week or 12 week penalty would still be a strong deterrent and the 4 years would still apply for proven blatant cheats. The WADA laws are tough because they are designed for Olympic competition once every 4 years with geopolitical consequences and doping programs on a national level. When you have the entire Russian Olympic program doping you need tough laws. They don't have to apply so stringently to a 22 year old kid taking an illicit drug.

It is hard to say no to drugs. Half of Australia has an alcohol problem. A huge percentage of young Australians have tried some form of illicit drug. It's easy to say there should be zero tolerance and to make sacrifices but it just isn't going to happen in reality. So when people do slip up I'd rather them not be banned for long periods. That's the basis of the AFL's illicit drug policy that despite the negative press has actually prevented any further players slipping in to Ben Cousin's style trouble.

I don't believe that being an athlete means you should give up your rights to make silly decisions such as taking illicit drugs like so many of the population have done foolishly. Sure there's consequences but the potential 2 or 4 year bans don't fit the crime. If it were a Melbourne player would anywhere here want such a serious ban for a player who took illicit drugs and then tried to cover it on the very small chance they were caught with some trace amount of PED? Bearing in mind that I'm very confident that most if not all of the players on Melbourne's list have tried some form of illicit drug at some stage.

We've had a couple of handy players not able to get games for us when we've been down the bottom, so I'm not judging too much on that, he was out of favour with Leppa. But I think Garlett is very similar to Green as a deep forward, and Kent does a job of being the hard leading quick guy around half forward. Ben Kennedy can provide a little of both as depth. Right now I'd rather draft a young kid who can be developed in to something better than take a shot on Green. I don't want us going down the reject path and ending up like Richmond.

I feel so sorry for Whitfield, just as I do those Collingwood players. I hope there's someway for this to get sorted without him copping a lengthy ban when we don't even know if he took anything performance enhancing and had absolutely no intention to take anything performance enhancing. He took unverified substances and panicked. Not as much empathy for the former GWS officials.

I agree. But the AFL implement new rules to get them to stop stockpiling picks, then the AFL adds exemptions to those rules and GWS exploit the exemptions. Makes me wonder if the AFL are repeatedly stupid or if they set up new rules to restrict the other sides instead of GWS. Anyway, we've seen the effect of finally reigning in the Giants list spaces and salary cap. Hopefully the next step is the Academy and they can get back somewhere near level terms with the rest of the league.

He's a great footballer and seemingly ripping bloke but he's too slow to play forward and lacks the skills to do much with the ball. If he's not in and under the packs then he's just not a quality player. There's also the matter that as much as we may want him he probably doesn't want to come to us now we've got Lewis. As a Delisted free agent he gets to pick his club and I'd think he'd pick a bottom club that can give him guaranteed game time in the middle or a top club where he can be depth and have a chance to break in for big games.