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Doubt he'd be cheap. Excellent pressure player who can play forward and on ball. Scrappy by foot but isn't the only one there. I doubt the Cats are even thinking of letting him go. I'd like him but we'd have to move out a mid to get full value from him I think.

He has a nice 30-40m neat kick usually to the boundary that comes on the back of a couple of slow paces. Which is certainly better than some defenders we've had (see McDonald, Tom) but doesn't make him a candidate for kick outs. When he's asked to run the ball out of the backline or change direction and kick quickly he's incapable of doing so. Which pretty much sums Oscar up. Handy enough when there's no pressure but ask him to do anything with any intensity and he's just not up to the pace.

There’s a difference between almost no chance of happening and not worth trying. Offering a 3rd round pick for Dusty Martin isn’t worth trying. Combining picks 20, 40, 60 and 70 for pick 1 isn’t worth trying. Daicos is out of contract. Collingwood have a tight salary cap limiting the amount they can pay him. Assuming we have cap space there’s no harm in offering him a deal that would tempt him that reflects the value he could give us. ‘He’s a Daicos’ is not a valid reason not to make him an offer.

Oliver’s bad habits - 1m handballs, inability to absorb contact then handball to space, rash playing on in traffic, refusing to drive forward from a stoppage and kick to space - have to be corrected to make him the player he should be. If the coaches know this and there’s tension with Oliver then good, he’ll be a better player for it. If Oliver knows it and the coaches can’t help him then maybe we’ll wake up and fix the coaching.

Absolute bull dust. There wouldn’t be a player on the list unhappy with having May after this season. The players know across the industry if you change clubs you have to pay more. Lever and Tomlinson have been disappointing but neither of them were handed mega deals that completely blew up the cap. Harmes, Tom McDonald and Brayshaw have been more disappointing and we paid them too. Oliver either already does or will get paid more than them, he won’t be worried about Tomlinson’s wage. Coaching, direction of the list and role in the side are surely far bigger factors.

Because the speed of a key defender doesn't have anything to do with the issues you are complaining about which are flanker/outside mid speed. I'm sure the plan was to have Oscar play a role similar to Jordan Roughead as the Pies or David Astbury at Richmond. The 2 best backlines in the comp. A big defensively sound tall who positions well and does the simple defensive acts. While May and Lever - who are both well above average speed for tall defenders took the quicker opponents. Our backline did a very good job this year with very limited 5th, 6th, 7th defensive starters for most of the year. In many ways that franks the decision to move Frost on whilst he had value. Oscar just hasn't been good enough. We don't need a super quick player to replace his role, just someone far more defensively sound.

Viney's not signing for a 2 year deal. It's either keep him for 4-5 or lose him, probably for a 2nd round pick in compensation. We had to give Vanders 3 years or lose him for stuff all to the Swans. Given he was in the best 22 and an important player we made a reasonable choice. Jetta and KK may well retire, we haven't heard anything that says they won't. But payout negotiations take time and depend on list sizes, salary cap etc. KK was a mistake, hence why we have new fitness and medical supervision at the club now. Jetta's deal wasn't, he deserved a long extension. So Port chopped a whole bunch of bad players, how is that relevant to their current success? It didn't help them build their current best 22 who have all either been on the list for a long time or were picked up with first round picks in the 18 draft. The only player who's come on as an unusual addition is McKenzie and he's exactly the kind of player you're saying to get rid of. They are also the club that picked up Watts, Trengove and Toumpas. We've kept too many players for too long but the bigger issues are poor draft/recruiting, inconsistent development and inconsistent team play. It's really hard to rate the performance of the fringe players when the best players in the side don't provide a solid base.

I heard we were hiring a guy named Adem and assumed it was Adem Somyurek

You can't be an outside player, get as much as the ball as Langdon does and kick the ball as poorly as he does and be elite. 2 goals for the entire year. 3.2 score involvements for a guy who got a stack of it. Not sure he's going to improve either. He's physically at the top of his game and his kicking probably is what it is now. I can't see how he's suddenly going to find more penetration and power in his kicking at age 25. He'd pretty much have to completely retrain his action and maybe change his body. We should get 100 very solid games out of him Lever's one who can take a big step forward, his best games were very good. He's had a full year to get confidence in his knees, but I think it's next year or never.

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I've thought of that, and the answer is Fiji (or similar resort location). Use it as a pit stop for the quarantine for maybe 7-10 days. I'm not a fan of taking on 3000 yanks sight unseen but with regular testing and 10 days in Fiji I'll take our chances. Politics would come in to it though. Would be a bad look for all those stuck overseas if we put thousands ahead of them. I think you could send a first wave of 100 per team. 50 players, 50 staff. Each team was allowed 100 staff in direct contact with players and that's at home bases where they have a heap of training staff, an excessive amount of coaches and people who feed the players and clean up etc. A first wave of 50 staff would be an adequate coaching, fitness/medical, welfare and media team. It will never happen, but I'm convinced it's achievable. The issue is it's not practical because you couldn't foresee Aus (excluding us Vics) and NZ getting almost a clean bill of health and you can't be certain it will last until Feb either. The issue the NFL has is it's just too big for an NBA bubble and too risky to do an MLB dig in, grind out games and hope for the best.

Neither Langdon nor Lever are elite and it's one player per year from 2016 to 2018 at this stage until a much better year in 2019. 2016: Hibbo was great but he isn't now. Maybe - Hannan 2017: Lever sure, Fritsch. Maybe - Spargo, Petty, Baker 2018: May a tick. KK a cross. Maybe - Sparrow, Jordon, et al The only new additions to Port's side this year are McKenzie and Ladhams. Otherwise 20 of the 22 that played the other week are good AFL players. If you're generous you might be able to get to about 17 for us and that includes 3 first year kids none of whom did nearly as much as Port's trio did in year 1.

The difference between Port and us is they kept adding all the way along with the likes of Burton, Amon, Clurey, Byrne-Jones, SPP, Houston, Ladhams. Little upgrades year on year even when some of their more experienced talent from their first great year under Kenny was either declining or getting traded out. Their backline is a great illustration of that. Whilst they'd love a proper tall full back (and traded Howard out for unusual reasons) they have 7 very strong defenders. The backbone of any good side. 7 players who can kick, mark and defend. On the other hand we potentially have 4 in May, Lever, Salem and Rivers. Maybe Hibbo turns back the clock. Maybe Tomlinson finds more mobility and contested ability. Maybe Smith clicks. Or Lockarth, Hore, or Petty or Nietschke. But if we can't put 7 trusty defenders out there we aren't going anywhere.

Oskar Baker is 22 and has had 3 years in the system, don’t project forward to beef up your argument. He has a couple of elite traits which are line breaking run and penetrating kicking. He’s well worth a 4th year to make or break his career. ANB was messy but he was also an effective AFL player in 2018. He is a story of failed skill development and lack of depth. Shouldn’t have got a 2 year deal last year but whatever. Develop players properly is the message with him. Im with you on Hannan and Hunt. But it’s also important to go through the finals teams and see that players come together at all sorts of ages and times. Ryan Lester and Trent McKenzie played full back for their respective winning sides. Lester’s been on one year deals for a decade and McKenzie was cut from a joke of a side. The other thing is you need to establish the culture of player development and good recruiting. Which comes from good coaching, good training standards, knowing who has the upside to hold on to. You cut 10 guys and replace them with 10 no names and you end up back where you started. The secret to success is a happy club, a mature club, good draft picks and good trades.

Time to pause the season for 2 weeks, pack the NFL up and move it to Australia and New Zealand. The Rugby League and Rugby Union stadiums and facilities are perfect to host NFL teams and games. South and West (later time zones and warmer weather) 1 division per city in: - Adelaide, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney with games possible in Perth and Melbourne as restrictions ease. Teams can also choose to relocate to Carins, Townsville, Newcastle, Gosford etc if they wish. North and East (earlier time zones, colder weather) 1 division per city in - Auckland, Wellington, Dunedin and Christchurch Start a small number of early games in NZ at say 9am local time which is 4pm US. Play the bulk of games around 6:30 US time and then keep a later spot. Would inject a lot of money in to the Aus and NZ economy whilst saving the NFL season and letting the players live normal lives and play games infront of (some) crowds.

A list spot. Current out of contract key defenders: Kyle Hartigan, Matt Scharenberg, Jacob Koschitzke, Jarrod Lienert, Ryan Garthwaite, Oscar Clavarino, Lewis Melican. Most would be free to a good home or a 3rd rounder at most. Are any of them any good? I don't know. But surely it's worth finding out. Lienert is one guy I'd sign up for sure.

You don't think people call for Lever to be dropped or traded? You've missed a lot of posts around here. The main difference between Lever and Oscar is Lever can do things while apart from the occasional game here or there - including those first 2 finals - Oscar hasn't shown the ability to take intercept marks, to track an opponent on a lead and make a closing spoil, to follow up at ground level and so on. Oscar's a nice kick in uncontested situations but he doesn't get used like May does. He rarely if ever runs the ball out of the backline. He seems to trip over his feet when asked to run and kick at pace and will often stuff up those kicks which are the most risk/reward. Any time he gets the ball in traffic it's a backwards handball or a panicked kick because he can't beat pressure. The reality is he can't play on smaller or faster opponents and doesn't even get trusted to play on the best forwards, he doesn't provide any defensive drive and he doesn't take enough intercept marks to cover for his lack of mobility.

I don't believe in taggers as a full time designated role but I do believe in tagging as a vital tactic. That centre clearance stat is almost entirely due to Nic Nat being Nic Nat. Collingwood use Pendlebury on Cripps every time they play. At the moment Greenwood is fit and in decent form, whilst Sidebottom is out and the Pies depth mids (the Browns, Phillips etc) aren't in form. Seb Ross also tagged Bontempelli. Whilst Geary played a defensive forward role on Daniel. The 2 best kicks in the Dogs team were shut down. 2 elimination finals in one day won by the tagging team. Whether it's Harmes, Gus, Sparrow or Viney we need to have a lockdown tag option. And we need to find roles for them when they aren't tagging. But I'd have no problem if you said Harmes will tag the 8-10 best players in the comp: Danger, Martin, Fyfe, Bont, Cripps, Pendles, Kelly/Shuey, Boak etc. Teams that play finals have elite midfielders that are best to stop.

There's always going to be changes, even without changing players. 1. Assistant coaches They'll change the game plan, change the motivation, change the skill levels, change selection etc. 2. Key forwards: a. Weid - he put up his most consistent run of performances this year and looked like a proper key forward b. Jackson - we only got a taste of what he offers this year c. Petty - at a minimum he's an option 3. Other forwards a. Fritsch - his goal kicking will improve, just can't get any worse (well it is Melbourne so you never know) b. Pickett - another who misses chances, but also who creates chances and can make great inside 50 kicks c. The rest of the mid/small types 4. Game plan The over the top is not a bad thing. You get a mark inside 20m it's very likely to be a goal. Plus you stretch the backline and create room for everyone else. Too often people bemoan our forwards leading deep, it's their job! Same for Fritsch leading to the pockets, he's a leading forward, he should often take the space available that sees him get a guaranteed mark inside 50. If every forward leads to 30m out directly infront the backline has a field day. Our mids certainly have to improve their kicking but even that's conflicting because some of them have to take the first option and get it in quick from stoppages and let the forwards fight with even numbers. It's footy, there's no perfect solutions. It's about balance, variety and players doing what they do well.

We won 2 finals and fixed our biggest weakness with a gun key defender. Getting blown out by the premiers should’ve been humbling but there was 25 weeks to review not 1. Much of the 2018 team has fallen away since but we weren’t and probably still aren’t too far off. It’s not about individuals or even groups, it’s making sure the place feels like a team. Cut 10 guys a year bad you’ve turned over a lists worth of players in 4 years. You’ll draft 6-8 guys a year and within 3 years there will only be 2 or 3 left. I’m still bewildered that we only took 3 players in last years draft and no rookies but we shouldn’t go too hard the other way

We’ve kept a lot of shoddy depth around for a few reasons: 1. the list has never been deep, we had to trade a lot of picks just to get out of the hole we were in. 2. We’ve thought we were in the window to win, so it’s better to have some mature depth who know the system 3. Culture - Apart from a winning culture at VFL level these guys are good team mates and friends. If you cut 12 guys a year you’re losing that continuity at the club Its hard to fix reason 1 without a fluke run of late picks. But it’s time to reconsider 2 and 3

Would add a couple of names from the list of guys without contracts who I think we should look at: 1. Brett Bewley - a cheaper, younger running wing option to Polec and Smith 2. Oscar Clavarino - key defender who trained at the club in the afl academy days, could swap one Oscar key defender out for another

The Doggies are incredibly light on for pressure forwards so that makes sense.

Other clubs been keen on Bedford is interesting. I've seen very little to suggest he's an AFL player.

Yep I proposed this in another thread. The Pies have to pay big money to Moore, De Goey and Mihocek. Someone has to make them pay up big time on Daicos or let him walk. Offer him 5 years at 700k, let's see how loyal he is then.