Dr. Gonzo

Looks like I got the brown acid Biff. It's a despairing trip but reality is sometimes a downer.

Haha so you just take everyone at face value do you, despite what their history tells you? You probably think Bush really wenty into Iraq for WMD? Hey I've got a bridge in Sydney for sale, PM me.

Because a man is judged by his actions and we know from history that Andy D acts like a corrupt politician or businessman.

Please...are you really that naive?

I only bleed red, am I only half a supporter???

I have thought this as well, but I've been in two minds recently (and not just since Saturday). For one, you can't just turf out every player over 25 and field an underage squad or you get results like GC, GWS and us over the last couple fo seasons. Secondly I think there is merit in the fact that you hold on to your "heart & soul" players to not only provide experience & hardness on the field but also infuse a culture within the club. I think if we had our time again we would not have pushed McDonald (and even Miller) out and I think for this reason we will not be dropping Beamer at the end of the season. I feel the same way about Sylvia also. For one, we need some hard bodies around contests especially with the style Neeld is trying to implement and two, even if these guys don't turn out to be best 22 (which I doubt will happen in the near future) they are still definitely in our top 38 so I can't see the value in delisting or trading them. Particularly considering we are unlikely to get anything decent in return, probably a player who is a level below and a low draft pick.

Do people really think for the first two months Neeld was telling the players to only go long to contests around the boundary and don't bother moving around to create options for your teammates? That he was telling players to hesitate and fumble the ball in contests and kick the ball either over players heads or 2 feet in front of them? Do you really think that is the sum gameplan of someone who has studied the game for years and is paid ~$400-500K to coach a professional team? Christ almighty just enjoy the win and have faith that Neeld and the club are moving in the right direction.

I do follow basketball (somewhat) and although I have heard the term used I couldn't explain what differentiates one position from another. They all basically run up and down the court doing the same thing. Wasn't Jordan a point guard? Here's wiki's link to the term

Two moments that had me jumping out of my seat punching the air were Garland's mark and goal from the goalsquare and when the bombers had 4 players to 2 streaming into their 50 in the last and they fumbled then Sellar smothered and Rivers or McDonald cleared the ball out. Was going nuts cos I was sure the Bombers were going to get a goal there.

Good news but they had a slew of players out last year and still pulled down our pants to give us the mother of all spankings. Last year was an embarrassment hopefully we can atone for that next Monday.

Crazy - he is the type of player who can make the difference in finals. You need cream as well as cake. Look at how he single-handedly got us back in the game last year against the Lions. He has improved on doing the "team" things and is an automatic best 22 when fit.

Hmmm, Nicho played out of his skin last night and was one of our best for mine, close to BOG. Might have to rethink that one. GTG I like Bartram as well and can see why Neeld does to but he is definitely limited and has poor disposal which is why I would consider it. He has been good this year though and could be a very good "depth" 23-30 on the list type player. Don't think he's best 22 though.

Hurley has missed a few games, to be fair.

Haha very well played!

Think we were paying $14, Essendon $1.04.

I've seen Hurley play a few times this year and in every game he has shanked multiple relatively easy shots at goal. No doubt he will be a good player but I doubt that he is going to be one of these "once in a generation" spearheads that he was being touted as like Dunstall, Lockett or Lloyd. Watts will end up the better player due to his composure and skill, of that I have no doubt. BTW Hurley has great attack on the ball and player when he can see what is in front of him but on more than one occasion last night couldn't pick up an easy ball to nail a winning goal in the last quarter when the heat was on and he didn't know what was coming from behind.

Sent Tapscott into the fence as well. Tapscott also copped a little "lovetap" from Davey, was a bit battered tonight old Tappy.

Well, why not? We've turned up on Queens Birthday in past years when no-one expected us to, 2007 & 2010 in particular. Great grinding, hard fought win tonight, bring that pressure and intensity next week and there's no reason we can't go toe-to-toe with the Pies especially with Neeld and Brown's inside knowledge of some of their players. Hopefully Frawley's back and Garland can stay up forward to see if he can build on tonight's game, might throw a few spanners in the works and test Buckley out. It gives us some flexibility too with option of swinging Watts and Garland at either end and Clark able to go into the ruck which is good as we need options instead of being one dimensional with our KPP's. GO YOU MIGHTY DEMONS Was so pumped in the last quarter tonight and so happy for the boys and Neeld to get the monkey off the back. They need to build on this now and play some smarter football (too many players going up is my main gripe) but let's savour the win for the moment. Hopefully we can enjoy this this week and not find things to slag off the club about - we are all Demons supporters after all and we should all be ecstatic after knocking off those stinking Bombres tonight!

Are you seriously suggesting that someone (Schwab, Stynes who?) told Bailey he had to lose games on purpose and ensure we got priority picks in 2008 & 2009? Are you saying that they told Bailey he had to sack Yze, White, Robertson etc?

Yeah I heard Schwab was on the Grassy Knoll in Dallas in November '63 as well.

Pretty sure he thought loading up on draft picks was the best way to go towards building a premiership list...

Yeah maybe he's got pace but not sure on skill - you could stick him in the 50/50 group.

Sure he did what he thought was best but he thought it was in his best interests as well remember. It mightn't have turned out that way but he thought but bottoming out heavily and loading up on draft picks he would be building a team primed for a dynasty. Pretty sure he didn't think it would lead to the team being rubbish and him being sacked after 3 and a half seasons. He did what he thought was right but he wasn't a martyr.

Bailey was [censored], we should've gone with Sheedy. Accept it and move on.

Was going to start a thread "0-12 a real possibility" but didn't want to get caught up in another Demonland flame war between the Believers (rpfc, Jose, Nasher, satyricon etc) and the Heretics (Hardnut, Jackie, wyl, old dee etc). Seriosuly with their attack on the ball and their midfield and with Cameron on fire (and Patton potentially joining him by then) it will not be the walkover some may have predicted pre-season. Don't know if we'll need to tank to shore up picks 1, 2, 12 & Viney although GC may give is a run for our money for the spoon.