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He must "run himself into the ground" early and often as he looked like he was running on the spot from the 1st bounce. I don't think his defensive work is even average by todays standards, he is too slow and doesn't get to the right areas at this stage in his career. You do realise he is the bloke wearing 39 right?

Craig had the audacity to blame us for the game style. I was happy to hear Grant Thomas give him a whack around the ears for saying that.

I didn't boo him. I didn't see the point. If you want to boo someone, boo Craig or Trigg who failed to uphold societies values. Guilty or not, Bock has damaged the image of the game and deserved a longer penalty, Craig and Trigg did the game, women and Bock a disservice by making the penalty 1 week.

Bartram - MUST improve offensively Bate - Played wrong position Bennell - Continues solid form Bruce - Fell into trap Davey - Class skill pace Dunn - Should be forward Frawley - Our best defender Jetta - Needs more development Johnson - Fear the "Pencil" Jones - Tried but wasteful Martin - crucial let up McDonald - no enough leadership McLean - Tried but wasteful Meesen - A walking comedy Miller - Cant direct players Moloney - Worked and succeeded Morton - Provides run, options Newton - Needs to reload Petterd - Almost a star Rivers - Absolutely a star Sylvia - better than perceived Warnock - solid without starring Just a little more about Johnson. He should be dropped. That was without doubt his worst performance for the season. His nickname is Hightower but the character which he is named after rips seats out of cars with his bare hands. PJ couldnt rip toilet paper off the roll.

If news spreads that Jack Watts kicked 15 goals for Casey tonight then about 42,865. If, as I suspect, Jack struggles and Robbo does little to influence the game tonight then you can cut the amount of MFC supporters by half. In that case, 36,625.

Interestingly, after speaking to a person with a fair amount of clout at the club I was lead to believe that the fat, lazy logo on the alternate jumpers is not set in stone to be our logo from next season. There is a push for a more old fashioned, 'angrier', less stylized logo. There is also a push to change the acuteness of the V on our normal jumper along with ensuring the blue stays a true navy blue. The jumper will look more like the picture that poster 'CarnTheDees' uses.

when are the teams for the 'main event' coming out? I can't handle the suspense. Do I get to Casey at 4pm or 7pm?????

Int: Jones, Maric, Petterd & Spencer

The baying masses? That is more amateurish than anything I posted. I haven't seen or heard for mass player omissions. Still, I quite enjoy how you judge posters on this site so vigorously, what would this site be without you? You're correct. I have no idea if any players are under injury clouds going into the game. It doesn't change my view that some players should not be in the 25. You cannot reward such a mediocre performance from some of the players.

I am happy for the coaching staff to wait until 5pm. How could you possibly contort what I said to mean that I want the final team now? I am disappointed that players such as Johnson and Jetta are even in the 25 man squad. Wise indeed.

So youre saying to me that after getting our arses handed to us by collingwood there were no automatic omissions? Ridiculous. Bailey is acting very "Daniherish" here.

I would have selected him. he can kick.

I am a little intrigued as to why there are no 'outs'. Seems like a fairly soft stance. The only justification I can see is that perhaps our playing stocks are so thin at the moment that we would be shuffling deck chairs. Johnson should be dropped. His workrate wasn't up to scratch and I think Jetta needs 12 months in an athletic program to work on his pace. His footy smarts seem ok but he gets caught quite a lot for a 'pacey' small forward. Just looking at that squad makes you realise how much more heavy pruning needs to be done..... Bring on 2012

Sit on the top tier of the Ponsford for s#### and giggles. Just make sure you have a few friends and are prepared for a little saliva saturation from the ferals. Great fun, win or lose. Some of my fondest memories are from sitting near/next to Collingwood fans. Waverley Park, when Gavin Brown kicked a goal after the qtr time siren (which wasn't paid) I happened to be right next to the Collingwood cheersquad. They were going nuts. Was that fun or what?!?!?!

No. Instead they offer members $200 raffle tickets......

Jetta is closer to playing for 2 reasons. 1. He plays in an area of the ground which we are deficient (injuries and lack of depth). IE the forward line. 2. He is physically bigger and stronger and looks like he could cop the punishment. For mine, Bennell is a better prospect long term but he will take a while to fill out from the looks of him. His comment in the Melbourne Magazine about adding only 2 more kilos is laughable. He is pretty fearless in my eyes but he bounced off a couple of Doggies players a couple of weeks ago.

Number of wins: 4 Average losing margin: 33 Average winning margin: 7 B&F top 3: 1. McLean 2. Morton 3. Sylvia Leading goal-kicker: Bate (44 goals) All Australian representatives: you're kidding, right? Top votes at the Brownlow: McLean Best first year player: Bennell the kid is all class Breakthrough year (first-year players do not count): Petterd Disappointment of the year: Collingwood making the finals Biggest area of improvement: The backline Surprise packet of 2009: Spencer finishing the job that Setanta started Headline of the year: Mega Watts: Jack kicks 11 goal against a hapless Xavier College Best win of the year: Against the Blues Worst loss of the year: All of them Final membership numbers: 34,683 And just for fun... Number of times Demonland posters wrongly refer to Sylvia as lazy in 2009: 45,876 Number of games until Rivers and Moloney both break down with injuries: 1 Number of weeks until McLean makes headlines for being an early brownlow favourite: 3 Number of weeks suspension served by Newton for whacking someone in the Casey reserves: 4

I am using common sense. We can't carry too many talls every week. It's just not feasible. Someone has to miss out, so I nominated the player who has the least amount of flexibility in his playing style and someone who is a below average kick. You are making too much out of 2 players height and over compensating. Warnock can easily cover Hale. He has taken taller players before and done the job. Also, Hale is hardly a big power athlete at 201cm (like Roughead is) so he doesnt present the same problems for shorter defenders. I agree. Exactly. I believe the Roos talls can be taken by Rivers, Warnock, Frawley with Garland offering relief. This leaves us with more options to choose from to defend the dangerous small/medium forwards and perhaps play another midfielder. Where was Martin in that marking contest? He played didnt he? What are you saying here? That defenders arent successful all the time? This doesn't support your arguement. Form, ability and balance make up a huge part of the selection process, especially early on in the season. Roughead took the mark because he made better position, used his girth to advantage and in the end is a top 5 talent among the key forwards these days. Pretty simple. Do we? Coaching panels spend hours trying to get the balance of players correct and most say they could always use more midfielders. With the workload for modern midfielders growing the need for fresh runners is vitale. Anyone who watched us on Saturday can attest to that. Thats a bit over the top. We need him and he will play a lot of footy. As I have said, Petrie and Hale do not represent a significant challenge to our backmen, like playing against Hawthorn, Geelong, StKilda etc. Petrie is a worker, a runner and a great leader but he and Hale, like all forwards rely on supply. It is this point that leads me to go with an extra runner than having a surplus of defenders. What is a stay at home forward these days? If he plays a majority of his time in the forward 50 then I would imagine that the need for a defender the same size is limited. He will be surrounded by players from both sides with little room to operate most of the time. If the Roos do bomb it long to him that plays into the hands of a modern day defensive group. Also, Martins mobility and lateral movement are first class for a player his size. He is only missing out because I feel we can do the job without him and I think we will take running players. It is equally risky to take a tall team into a game where runners are at a premium. As I have said, if Martin plays I will be neither surprised nor disappointed. I actually think we have a pretty good chance of winning this game, well a better chance than we were last year.

The difference for me is form, ability and team balance. Frawley has had a dream preseason and deserves a go on form. Warnock has not put a foot wrong and established himself as a legit key defender last year so he plays. Rivers has class and pedigree and is a required player. Garland has the ability to swing from talls to smalls and would allow the other talls to rotate if trouble was brewing. Martin misses out due to the need for runners in the team to rotate through the midfield. Other teams have players who are better match ups for Martin. eg: Fevola, Roughead, Lynch, Hall, Tippett, Lloyd etc etc etc. He is good and will play, I just think the others are pushing themselves further up in the coaches eyes. Ultimately if Martin plays i would be extremely confident in his ability to shut down a forward.

I am happy for Warnock to go at Hale, even with the difference in height. Petrie is taller than Frawley but I think you will find that Chip has grown to be over 195cm these days. Once again his form warrants selection and Petrie will have his hands full trying to out run Frawley. Add to this Rivers and his ability to leave his man to help and I think we can cover their talls. Martin in my eyes would be unlucky to miss but I think he will have at least 18 games or so to prove his worth with the big boys, just not in round 1. How the Kangas rotate their smalls is of more concern to me. Jones, Campbell, Thomas, Harvey and co will trouble us I think.

I agree, Martin would get nothing out of playing forward for us. He will learn more playing as a KP defender with Casey as he is still learning the finer points of defending.

gee... a user name that reflects your personality nah, its this or work. they look the same from a distance and means I dont have to do the dishes.

He got knocked over on Saturday because he didnt see the Doggies player coming straight at him. His awareness is just so unbelievably below average it hurts to think about.

This is close to what I think will happen. Here is mine anyway: B:- Grimes: a certain starter in my eyes. We need his accuracy and run out of defense. Warnock: Picks himself. Martin will be unlucky to miss but I don't see a need for him. Garland: Could play anywhere but he will play down back for most of the year I think. HB:-Frawley: Plays on talls and smalls. Great pace and carry. Easy selection. Rivers: Underdone but still integral. When fit he is a league leader in marking from opposition kicks. Cheney: With Whelan NA I think he will get a go. Hard as granite and makes very few errors. C:- Moloney: Looks so motivated at the moment. A genuine vocal leader on the ground. Jones: Came to form at the right time. A workhorse who I think is figuring out how to be more effective. Green: Starts on a wing and plays a kick behind. HF:- Buckley: We need his pace and dare. Will be better suited to the G. Miller: A natural running forward who plays well at the G. We need his size and agro. Bruce: Could play anywhere but if our midfield allows I think we will see him push forward more often. FF:- Petterd: A natural forward who finds front position. Love his desperation in the forward line. Bate: Will start foward and push up to the wings. Could be a damaging leading forward. Davey: Picks himself. Seems to be ready for a better year after a couple of average ones. He is in the same boat as Bruce, if we don't need him in the midfield so much he will make us a vastly more dangerous team. R:- Johnson: Easy choice. Will try as hard as anyone. Will be tried forward often from reports. McLean: Rawlings will sit on him, hopefully giving someone else a chance to step up. McDonald: Im hoping he takes Boomer. His tackling and hardness will be huge against the workmen like Kangas. IC:- Morton: Will start on the bench but finish full of run. A huge star in the making. Sylvia: A marking target who until last week was a certain starter. I predict big things from Col. Wona: If fit he will play. A quality player and someone opposition clubs mark hard. Spencer: Will need all his aggression to counter the Kangas rucks. Unlucky: Newton: I thought he OK on saturday. The conditions didnt suit but he tried. He still turns like he is on skates. Dunn/Bartram: I am almost certain at least one of these guys will play to negate Wells or the like. I am just not sure who they will replace. Bennell: Most impressive 1st year player I have seen. Jetta: If Wona or Davey struggle to come up I think he will debut. Martin: I rate him but I don't see who he will go to. Lacks the versatility of Frawley or Garland and not as effective as Warnock who I assume will take Hale. Injured or NA: Watts, Maric, Bell, Robertson, McNamara, Wheatley, Jamar and Whelan

He is Heath Neville in disguise