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This would suggest we were outperformed in key areas due to the wrong personnel. That's just not the case. The midfield, forward line and backline were all slow and flat bar 2 or 3 performers. They couldn't possibility have foreseen that. Our delivery forward was actually very good, evident in Hogan's 7, Watts' 2 and kicking 15 goals. Our inability to win the stoppages and our incoherent zoning cost us. That was a laziness thing. I don't see how anyone playing VFL could have come in and made much difference. We still would have lost. It's not like we were missing key players. I think Roos is just shouldering more of the blame now because in the first 1.5 years he often said "them" and "they" and blamed the playing group too often. The buck ultimately stops with him but I don't think we lost on Saturday because of bad coaching or wrong selections.

2007 was weird. But the Daniher era really kind of set the club up for the past 10 years. When we were down, we were bottom of the barrel. Long losing streaks. Bottom 3. Awful stuff. It wasn't Daniher's fault at all, he got more out of an unprofessional football club than anyone else could have at the time. We had a decent team. But we just sort of lingered mid-range for too long and didn't have a good bridge between experience and young talent coming through. He also drafted poorly with the likes of Bate, Miller, Armstrong, etc. Melbourne of the 00s was North of the 2010s.

How the [censored] did we lose to Essendon.

It wouldn't have. Melbourne were flat yesterday. Maybe if the game were at 4:40 on Sunday. Carlton Essendon could have been at Etihad todat.

You can be quite dense sometimes. Yes they played on the same day but Saints played at 1pm, Melbourne at 8pm. A night match means you're done by 1-2am for some players and full prep for the following week doesn't start until 2 days after, Tuesday in Melbourne's case. Saints players had the evening to recover before prep on Monday. Richmond we're similarly flat last night while Port had a full 7 days. Collingwood and Essendon both late on Sunday after a Monday match. Scheduling had some influence here. They were flat.

They had a 6-day turnaround. We had a 5-day turnaround after a night match.

That uncontested possession stat is quite damning. Against both Essendon and the Saints, the team's flatness and inability to mark players has been abysmal. Damn it, we should have beaten North.

GC and Dogs are both very tough matches. GC will bounce back next week, mark my words. I think 2-1 is achievable, but imo it's more likely to come from Dogs and Lions than GC and Lions, or GC and Dogs.

Was attacked saying this in another thread but the reality is that no matter what Roos did, they would have lost. They were very flat. I said it at quarter time to my girlfriend. I am worried about the 5-day turnaround, and playing a St Kilda team that is quick on a small ground we never play on. Watch the game, watch them around stoppages. We have the grunt but were shockingly beaten. What selections could he have made that would have made up 7 goals? Let's not kid ourselves. The group was flat. To be honest I don't think they played that poorly, not as bad as they did against Essendon. St Kilda made some shocking errors but wanted it more. We had good delivery going forward but we were ultimately smashed around the stoppages and run off the ground in the backline. Garlett, Tyson, Gawn, Vince having quiet days doesn't help. They'd have all played irrespective of changes Roos could have made in hindsight.

In Roos' defense, the team was flat today. Anyone sitting with 10 rows of the pitch on the wing would have seen that within the first 5 minutes. Major communication issues on the bench with rotations because players were coming off on their own accords because they were spent. I saw it. I saw maybe 10, 11 times when players were screaming out to the bench to come off for a spell. When you're flat, you play lazy football. You give hospital handpasses. You give away dumb free kicks. You give your opponents space. You run off your opponent to chase another opponent to make up space that you've *already* lost. I know it's a shithouse excuse, but a 5.5-day break, at Etihad, against St.Kilda...well, it was the worst possible match to play after a quick turnaround. Roos was outcoached in the Essendon match. Not today. The Saints played Etihad to perfection. Melbourne was flat, and combined with how [censored] we play that ground, nothing the coaches could have done would have won that game. We also played with an attack flair that has Goodwin all over it. I think Goodwin was heavily influential today. I think the frustration you saw today was him not having any answers, not him not being able to do anything.

Petracca was good relative to his experience. First game in 1.5 years. Zero AFL experience. Not even a full VFL game experience. Came in and did some nice things, won some hard ball, and delivered some good passes. He was far more involved and had more score involvements than Harmes, Kent and Garlett combined.

That was a 100+-point loss without Hogan. Kent, Harmes, Frost, Watts and Garlett were all annihilated. No one else would have kicked goals.

Would not drop Hunt. Really like him. Wagner and Harmes. Out: Wagner, Harmes, Frost In: Oliver, ANB, Brayshaw Swap Dunn and Pederson. Dunn is less of a liability up forward.

Hogan - Only Consistent Performer Viney - Best and Fairest Gawn - Serviceable yet Flat Jones - Standard Jones Game Vince - Not Bernie's Best Kennedy - Far From Influential Bugg - Never Got Involved Petracca - Signs Of Promise Tyson - In and Out Watts - Lacked real involvement TMAC - Shocking peripheral vision Wagner - beaten all over Lumumba - Dear Oh Dear Dunn - Slow and Dumb Harmes - Did he play? Garlett - Missed his influence Salem - VFL quality performance Kent - Must Offer More Frost - Paul Johnson 2.0 Hunt - Confident Yet Outclassed Jetta - Among Our Best

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Our backline has been pathetic.

We should have bogged it down that quarter. Quite clear that Goodwin is coaching this game.

Give me a break. Saints are average. If we want finals, we should be beating them.

Coaching is awful. Sitting behind the interchange, I reckon maybe 10 times Melbourne players have been vocally yelling because they're confused about whether or not they're supposed to rotate.

This could very well blow out to 100 points. That's 14 goals in 2 quarters.

Our defense has lost us this. Dysfunctional. Dunn, McDonald, Salem all shockingly outplayed. Salem has been very average.

Watch Dunn on that replay. Pitiful. That is shocking defense.

Roos getting outcoached again. Roo getting the ball on the flank, kick across the ground to an unmarked teammate. 6th from that exact play.

Dunn is awful. He peels off Roo at every chance.