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I don't want us to lose Jesse. I think he will be a top player for us as we get ourselves into gear. He seems to me the type of person who cares about whether he lets you down, or not, so will always give his all. The gestures are nothing more than frustration on his part, most likely feels like he has under performed?

Fishing, for inside Information? So they can scuttle us.

You must be able to see the difference now at the club. the hard physical stakes on-field, show the level of desire & commitment to your footy & the club. It's obvious we are developing now, the first real group since the turn of the century.

He sounds good, I don't know anything about Sam Gibson, but those stats at least are pretty high. Maybe the club can work it out with Gaff, for him to stay with Eagles til next year. for free agency?

If watts was a cricketer? He would be a leg side batsmen & spin bowler.

If that's the case, they are probably just rumour mongering. I don't think Jesse would want to move away from his family.

Nah, he was minding someones kids, a parent, lee.

No, way overs. we have to stay tough in negotiations. We are trying to improve, but you don't improve much, when you receive goods with one hand while paying with the other; & the seller has their hand in your back pocket at the same time. Time for this club to grow up & play hardball. No more pushovers.

Ah, where was this post Dirts? I didn't see it ? Also I wouldn't give two 1st's, for Lever, one 1st & a player, is plenty.

Andrew Gaff is 25. And Lachie Neale is 24 http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=&PlayerName1=Lachie+Neale&PlayerName2=Andrew+Gaff&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&Compare=Compare&SelectedPlayers=

If so, I like these fantasy scenario's below ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Melbourne { Jesse Hogan & Dean Kent + p45 } >>> Dockers ??? Dockers { Lachie Neale + p5, & Harley Balic + Zac Clarke } >>> Demons ??? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Melbourne { 2018 1st Rnd pick + Jack Watts } >>> Crows ??? Crows { Jake Lever } >>> Demons ??? ======================================================== Melbourne { Jesse Hogan & Dean Kent + p45 } >>> Eagles ??? Eagles { Gaff, p11 & (Jack Redden to Crows) } >>> Demons ??? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Melbourne { (Jack Redden to Crows) + p27 } >>> Crows ??? Crows { Jake Lever } >>> Demons ??? ========================================================

nipple rash, eh?

Here, here, SJ.

Nationality? I just read he was an ex carlton player. so BlueBagger. I'm sure I didn't know that back in those days, watching VFA on telly. Would have spoilt it just a tad. Yeah lots of fight on Sunday footy, at the VFA. The crowd brawling, knocked the fence over, down at Sandringham, back in the day.

Frosty Miller?

Most reasonable observers in media said the same thing about 5 or 6 Yrs ago about Melbourne, going to be the next dynasty. Maybe even Worsfold entered that debate.

I agree with you rpfc. I was not including the Roos era in that statement, and of course, not this new period either. Your 3rd paragraph is a projection of yours, based on your assumptions. And we don't have to do anything at all. rpfc. I have absolutely no doubt we are progressing, and I also have no doubt that we cannot afford to accept players in the club, that will not willingly take a hit for the team. Once we keep that door ajar, we start the rotting of the physical game Roosy brought to us, in one foul action. We can all sit on our hands, & twiddle our thumbs. But that won't make this club stronger. Change is what will aid our strength & dithering about watts is hurting more than helping. I know Roosy was watts fan, but he was also trying to coax jack out of himself, with some sugar, rather than a stick. That year watts was dropped in that last game of the season, after Roosy & PJ had a word with him, Watts played better in 2016 earning a new contract. Since that contract began he has turned up in poor condition and has been less committed than he was when under scrutiny. So he was poorly committed in 2015, Much more committed in 2016 (contract year), And poorly committed in 2017, with a nice new contract signed & delivered ?

are there strings attached to this rumour? Is he packed with something? ie: we get another player or pick with him, in helping them with salary cap spacing?

Unless we lose out a top player,; then we can trade in temp player/s, to cover off the change.

Wow, I think this is bang on. I am really surprised to read this on a Melbourne forum. shitt, there is hope yet.

Thats because he loves adulation. Doesn't love footy. Priorities are all wrong. He's in it for the money, and his ego is satisfied being the centre of attention. He needs a swift kick to try to wake him up & commit. Has anyone ever had their wives lose interest in them, after children arrived?

You better trawl all the way back to the 60's picket. because since smithy was lost we have continually stuffed most of our recruiting decisions, including Flower himself. We nearly got rid of Flower, before he even played. This is the problem when we recruit Boards from our inner upper echelons at Mfc. We continually get decisions on personnel, from business skilled people, who aren't as savvy in the footballer stakes. Maybe they would be better at buying race horses, than spotting true footy players. But don't miss the mark, and blame it on the past 10 years; or you Fail to help this club learn. .

Honestly, the biggest danger for Melbourne,,, is to not make calls on players who are in a self-preservation mode. We've had players doing this right through our 2000's. Only committed when it's suited them, when they feel like playing. Let me be bold. (Robbo, Yze,) there are more. Watts is like Green early days. Green hated physical pressure until he was challenged & ridden for that. He got a bit better, but wasn't skilled at tackling. poor at it. We have had too many players half-hearted over our journey; and this is where the "bruiseless footy" originates from. And it grew into our culture. Its still there in watts, & a little in some others here and there. Keeping players who are not willing combatants, especially in a club like Mfc, with its Mcc conservative connects,,, is a Major flaw for Our club... in particular more than other clubs. for these reasons. It is the 'outer' supporters who are most likely To Not let their players get away with "soft efforts". We at Melbourne are a "soft touch", because we have an overabundance of tolerance & understanding; to the detriment of our success on footy fields.

So would I Moon. Pedo & TMac wouldn't carry the ruck all year. We would bring in another ruck or temps like Goldstein, Zac Clark, or others yet to be identified, from other clubs. Maybe a Lynch? or Martin.. this time of year, soon there will be others available. Maxy to GWS, >>> Shiel + p23 to the Dees. Tyson & Watts to Tiges, >>> P15 & P16 >>> Dees P16 + P27 to Crows, >>> Lever to Dees. - - - - - - - I would be using a 2017 draft pick on a young ruck, who is a powerful mark. Hayes or Coleman-Jones? Dees holding Picks 10, 15, 23... Pick 10 on either young Brayshaw or Jack Higgins. Pick 15 on a young ruck to develop. Pick 23 on a speedy running Mid. Shiel & Lever come into the Dees lineup? .

all's quiet I think. But if I could, I would trade Max for Shiel & a 2nd Rnd pick. the Giants are right into they're open window, & so should be desperate for a top ruck. GWS have a surplus of top mids. And appear to have changed direction slightly looking for run & spread ahead of inside types. They need a ruck desperately. Both Giants & Crows, are deep into they're open window time frames, and competing against one another for Premierships. We are a way behind these 2 clubs on timeframe. They should be both desperate for any instant improvement which they can grab. I would be looking to use both Watts & Gawn to both clubs, to see what we can garner. But i wouldn't be trading cheap, with Max. We would be wanting overs for him. Shiel + something, for Gawn.