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Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere but has anyone seen a full list of the B&F? ie not just the top 10?

Err and he's dead... other than that..

It's entirely possible the Club is letting this nonsense carry on as it might give Clayton a kick up the bum. 'no one is off limits for a trade' Not saying its true but its possible. Almost what we did this with Watts a few years back before actually trading him. He was told to lose weight, commit to training etc etc In the end they ran out of patience.

never liked Flynn anyway 🤪🤣

I have been thinking about Max. Clearly a generational ruckman. But he's 32 yo at the end of this year and our game plan is totally based around him. It's predictable and teams have double teamed him to counter his influence. His influence is likely to wane from here on in. We are out of the finals 2 years running partly because teams have worked out how to beat Melbourne by containing Max's influence. We need to think of Max now as a pinch hitter. He can't be carrying the team for much longer. And we need a new game plan that is less predictable and relies less on Max. ie we need a game plan that is not Max centric If we don't do it now we run the risk of him being injured - then we are really cooked - or still predictable and beaten when it matters.

You may be on to something.

He apparently said it publicly at a function. But just look at the way we played. It's like there was Ebola in the centre corridor at times.

Do we need a big fwd? For comparison, Collingwood's goal kickers vs Melb (Coll played two extra games) Collingwood Melbourne Brody M 47 Fritsch 38 Jamie E 39 Picket 38 Hill 33 JVR 28 Ash J 21 Tracc 28 Daniel McS 20 Chandler 24 N Daicos 19 Melk 20 Jordan DG 18 ANB 19 Beau McC 17 Petty 12 M Cox 17 J Smith 11 231 Goals to our top 9 kicking 217. And when Fritsch only played 17 games and Petty 14. Coll's top 3 played 24 games each There is a reasonable argument we don't need a big key fwd.

It might be good news but Goodwin has to listen to what they say. It was reported here that Yze was heard at a function saying he wanted to attack through the corridor more and was held back by Goodwin.

Interesting if true We did this a lot during pre-season. After about 6 or 7 rounds we went back to our old ways with Goodwin (presumably) not happy with how we can defend a turnover in the corridor. We became tired old melbourne, kick to the left, down the line, force a stoppage, kick a point. CHanges are needed. And its not just the Assistant by the sounds of things.

Did his knee in late August. 11 months of rehab takes us to late July. Hmmm

All the clubs would be trawling lists where players aren't getting opportunities. I certainly hope we are looking in unexpected places for talent.

That may well be the official capacity but there spare seats around us, the MCC members was not full and there is standing room which is not regulated so much I believe. Maybe their maximum allowable under fire regulations or such is that number and so they can't announce any more than that,

On another matter anyone wondering how we had an identical number of people at the 2023 Grand Final as we did at the 2022 Grand Final? 100,024 people. Smells very fishy to me

I guess if he can play fwd that might solve some problems We did alright with Gawn and Jackson from memory .

They won by 7 pts 1 pt and 4pts They had class at the end of the GF in SS and Pendlebury but loads of players who were ineffective or barely touched it all day. A few standout performances. Got to be a bit careful about drawing too many conclusions other than the fact they seem to be very good in tight games. By contrast our guys soiled the bed against Carlton when we could have and should have iced the clock. So much for leadership.

Max had to wait 8 years I recall....

Would be hard to bring someone in on a big ticket when you have a team that has arguably performed pretty well. I could see it happening with a key fwd where most realise it is a desperate need. But it can easily upset the delicate balance of player salaries , expectations etc. Geelong have done a good job of managing it (and we know why...)

I heard Mitch Clark was heading to Fremantle a few years back. Just sayin....

True but we changed massively from 2018 and 2019 and learned. This year was perplexing for me. We played pre-season very aggressively through the corridor and cutting angles etc. Our first few rounds we were number one for accuracy as we played daring football and centered the ball into the corridor. We changed game plan distinctively in rd 12 and 13 against the Blues and the pies. I assumed we wanted to play a much more defensive game plan as we were likely to meet these two teams in September. That was around the time we played a very high press, defended by playing a boundary game and we scored a shocking number of points for 3 or 4 weeks in a row. So I fear Simon will say he only has to tweak a few minor things but the game has caught up to us and has figured us out. A game "built for finals" has failed in the last four. And our much-vaunted leaders utterly failed in the last 100 seconds against Carlton. We need to change quite a lot

But but but we're told you can't change a game plan that quickly, or personnel You can add GWSs rise this year to proof that you can make radical changes if you take a chance ....(simon).... Unfortunately we will 100% be in the category where we say 'we're not far off, we doing 90% right, we just need a tweak here and a tweak there'. Simon will point to our record over 3 years and I get that its got merit but the big teams know how to beat us. We are way too predictable. The game will go past us.

I tell you I cant stand Tom Mitchell World's biggest flopper and all time worst Brownlow winner. Could have been done for staging at least 8 times during 3 finals.

Both teams kicked into their fwd line to team mates in better position Very little bombing in. Chip kicks inside or over the top. We stopped doing that and are selfish. Fritta and kozzie are the two worst. Spargo is probably the best at finding a team mate Until we learn to be smarter with our ball use i50 we're going nowhere

Did I read Matt Flynn, the second ruck from GWS is talking to us? Would make sense...

You don't need an elite ruck. We are blessed with Gawn but a competitor like Jamar or Nankervis or McInerny would suffice. Arguably our trying to fit others around our gawn game plan has cost us in the past couple of years.