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Surely you mean the 5th in the GWS B&F. hah ahahah ahaha

Makes me ill thinking about it

That's not true either. Rivers might insist on a trade so that Melb is not completely dudded.

Gee we signed Col to a 3 yr deal in July. Let's trade him. Sheesh.

Good grief. Fact?? Well done.

I am with you. Our mids are bog ordinary. Malthouse's first comments were that they need support for Judd. Its no secret that the Pies have an outstanding midfield. Its what we lack. Jesus Christ could play in our fwd line and still only kick 15 goals for the year.

Well if we want him I am sure on form Neeld would move heaven and earth to get him.

Col played in rd 5 and had 6 tackles,. Not the game of someone who was troubled with a stuffed back. 17 games for the year. Yes he worked his way into some form but for his talent he is a major disappointment,

Great work by Tom McD. Third in effectively his first year. Congrats. And of course to Jones who was a stand-out. Garland polled higher than I thought. Howe & Green lower. 2012 Melbourne best and fairest - total votes 1 - Nathan Jones (368) 2 - Jack Grimes (348) 3 - Tom McDonald (314) 4 - Jordie McKenzie (312) 5 - Jared Rivers (310) 6 - Colin Garland (297) 7 - Jeremy Howe (293) 8 - Jack Trengove (275) 9 - James Frawley (266) 10 - Lynden Dunn (257) 11 - Rohan Bail (238) 12 - Colin Sylvia (233) 13 - Joel Macdonald (228) 14 - James Magner (219) 15 - James Sellar (197) 16 - Jack Watts (195) 17 - Mitch Clark (182) 18 - Dan Nicholson (166) 19 - Mark Jamar (157) 20 - Sam Blease (157) 21 - Brent Moloney (153) 22 - Luke Tapscott (142) 23 - Mathew Bate (135) 24 - Brad Green (130) 25 - Clint Bartram (119) 26 - Jake Spencer (99) 27 - Cale Morton (97) 28 - Aaron Davey (82) 29 - James Strauss (69) 30 - Stefan Martin (62) 31 - Neville Jetta (55) 32 - Jamie Bennell (35) 33 - Tom Couch (26) 34 - Ricky Petterd (26) 35 - Josh Tynan (16) 36 - Jack Fitzpatrick (14) 37 - Liam Jurrah (8) 38 - Jordan Gysberts (6) Did not play in 2012: Troy Davis, Lucas Cook, Michael Evans, Max Gawn, Rory Taggert, Kelvin Lawrence, Jai Sheehan, Leigh Williams

This is an opinion forum. And he has given his. However, he stated as if they were facts the shiite about Martin. When challenged he simply said it was his observations. He wasn't protecting 'sources', wasn't asked in any case to reveal sources but simply his speculation. You can value it and that's fine. I put zero weight on what he has said.

Karma. Scully should be further embarrassed.

Col Sylvia 17 games and 12th. Another stellar year.

Oh I'm sorry. You said with such authority that Martin is "un-coachable". And "will not listen". "not a team player". Now you admit you don't know but it's your observations. I'd say you wouldn't have a clue. As for your comment he "has not improved in 5 years" - your observations are clearly worth nothing because anyone could see he held the ruck together last year when Jamar went down. Stop drinking your own bathwater buddy.

Anyone can all do mindless speculation. Some do it better than others:)

meh...

Haven't seen enough of Grundy but I know he has taken a long time - 2005 rookie draft. Martin was the 2008 pre-season draft. Give Martin another 3 years and then compare. My gut says martin.

What with their 'fix-ture' and scheduling being too chock a block with blockbuster games and traditional rival games and derby's etc??

' Wow. Are you on the inner circle or what?? Martin is the smartest guy on the whole list. A heap smarter than you I suspect.

So much for the traditional Demons v Sydney on ANZAC day. Stuffed again by the AFL.

81 - its pathetic. Jurrah for Jacobs?? F me there are some stupid things written here.

So you would leave your employer and get paid out less than you are owed on your contract? Yeah right.

You are kidding of course?? BP was a disaster. Like all recruiters unfortunately his mistakes aren't evident for 3-4 years. There is a reason he is not here and there is a reason he is no longer a recruiter.

To all those that want rid of Stef. He's a 198cm fast, agile player. Has some deficiencies for sure but is a 1000 times better than Spencer and possibly Gawn. Was outstanding in the ruck last year. The way Jamar has played since winning AA is worrying. Maybe has the beemer disease. Who rucks when Jamar goes down?? Please don't tell me Spencer. We have spent time developing Stef who was a late starter to AFL. It defies belief that some of you ppl want to get rid of him.

Gysberts has played 21 games. Let me repeat that for you. 21 games. He is 20yo. Can get his own footy which is more than 80% of our team can do. Weighs more than Lucas Cook who is significantly taller. A keeper for mine.

I get it. If the same rumour is repeated on 3 different occasions or outlets it becomes fact!