Nasher

Pick 10 is high enough to get a very good player. The days of hoping we play worse so we advance a couple of spots in the draft are behind me, personally. I won’t do that and would prefer 9th over 10th, 10th over 11th, 11th over 12th and 17th over 18th.

Righto then mate. Stone motherless last. No scope for improvement in this side whatsoever. ?

We will finish in the 9-12 range.

Just a fleeting visit. We’re not here to stay.

Did Keilty do enough to put himself in contention? We are in need of a forward who can mark.

Been watching the Freo Bulldogs game, one highlight for Freo is their talls in Hogan and Taberner taking marks. Liked the move of TMac back to defence to get him back in the game again, but this has reinforced to me that we have to get him back playing as a marking forward ASAP. We also have to persist with Weideman. I’m 100% convinced that if we can correct that one single aspect of our game, rapid improvement will come.

It’s because nobody has actually died.

Not that I expect anyone to give a rat’s about my threats but if we on Demonland are about to embark on another round of barracking for losses or hoping other sht teams crawl past us, I am out of here. We’ve seen how much that hurt last time and the payoff was far from worth it. That’s a loser’s game - even if it’s only supporters - and I’m not playing it. I hope Port win by 100.

Rewind the clock about two minutes further and see Baguley get a free kick and goal for a hold when he was the one doing the holding. Total BS free kick. If that hadn’t happened Essendon fans would have nothing to complain about as the game should have been out if reach by the time the Pendlebury thing happened. I think in general in our game we have a culture of pissing and moaning about umpiring in general. It’s a game where a lot of the rules are subjective. In every single game there’s calls good and bad. It’s the nature of the game. It’s a garbage excuse for booing 10 minutes after the game anyway. On a day that is supposed to be about coming togetherness, while ANZAC representatives were on the ground awarding a champion player. Boo your head off while the game is being played, and even after the siren. Once the presentations start, STFU and show some respect.

Sorry, frustration gets the better of me sometimes. With regards to Jones - he’s struggling for sure, however I can’t see him being dropped. There’s at least 3 players I can think of that would be first and there are zero players at Casey better than him. He will be persevered with for some time yet. As for the games record, if it’s irrelevant as you’re now saying, then I’m not sure why you brought it up in the first place. Your whole post was centred around him not being worthy for holding these records, I’m not sure what else you were expecting us to conclude.

@praha- it’s also within threads. Nathan Jones should apparently stand aside cos this dude thinks he isn’t worthy of second place on our all times games list.

He’s not used to the speed of the game yet - has been done for holding the ball at least once per game and isn’t in games for long enough. I like his attributes, but in my view it’s unrealised potential with a few cameos per game at this point. Would be developing in the VFL ideally if our first choice flankers in Hannan and AVB weren’t out.

Essendon fans cementing their spots as the most disgusting supporters in the game. Outstanding response by Buckley.

He was a leader in forward line pressure last year, which made his uncleanliness with the ball bearable. Adds nothing to the team if he’s not doing that.

Why do you still follow the club WYL? I wouldn’t be able to bring myself to watch games or log on to Demonland if I thought the situation was irredeemably hopeless.

How were you feeling after the first quarter, where we were leading? Were there really no positives? Not one single thing worked well at any stage? I think the last line I’ve quoted sums up where my view differs from most. I don’t take anything the coach says personally. Unless he looks down the camera and addresses me by name, I can’t be insulted by what he says. It’s not his job to soothe upset fans, as grown adults we need to be able to do that ourselves.

Give me an example of a successful coach who didn’t give trite, repetitive platitudes when the team was playing like crap? Actually put up a clip. What were Clarkson or Hardwick saying to the media in the years their teams were struggling? Can anyone remember a pale Neale Daniher sitting in front of the press in one of those down years after a woeful loss, mumbling “we’re tryin’ to build a spine”? Hindsight tells us Daniher was a very capable coach. Coaches in press conferences are on a hiding to nothing. I put it out there that there’s absolutely nothing Goodwin could say that will please everyone. Someone actually said in the post match thread that he wanted to see the coach “irrational” - that’s the last thing I want to see and will know he’s cooked as soon as he is. His message has been steady and consistent. It’s hard to hear when we’re so angry and disappointed, but nothing Goodwin has said is wrong or suggests incompetence.

Agree, TMac played tight on Lynch and nullified him. I thought it was a good demonstration to his brother and Frost on how it’s done. It’s easy to sook about TMac’s ball use coming out of defence, but honestly that’s such old news I’m amazed anyone still bothers. He’s a 100% known quantity as a defender; we all know what the tradeoff is, and we got what we paid for last night with him.

Depth is overrated. Our biggest issue is our most important structural players are playing like crap. Depth players always look great when the team is flying and ordinary when the team sucks. They are the effect, not the cause.

If we drop Weideman for Preuss, our tall forwards are Preuss and Smith. Preuss was going alright before the injury but I’m still pretty unconvinced he’s any good as a forward. If he’s not marking it there’s not much else he does - he doesn’t know when or how to bring ground players in to play, and he is too slow to do anything about half backs who want to escape with the ball. I liked Smith’s game last night, but he’s a medium sized forward who is borderline AFL level. He tries his guts out though, which is hard not to love. We’ve definitely got a problem at the moment as Weid was hopeless again last night, but I’m still confident he’s got the right attributes and will come good. If you drop him now and go with a makeshift Preuss/Smith forward line, I see that as giving up on the forward line before the game has even started. At least with Weideman in, there’s at least some prospect of the miraculous happening and they start to fire, no matter how minute it is. I hope the TMac back thing is only temporary. We desperately need him to return to last year’s forward marking form.

You want to see the coach irrational?

I’m not sure it’s skills - I think we generally hit the player we’re pointing at. The problem comes when we kick it without having pointed at anyone. It’s as if we’re expecting a player to be there, but the only player there is Dylan Grimes, who always seems to know where our kicks will go before we do. It’s exactly the same as it has been all year. We’ve addressed “easy to play against” though, thank f. Hopefully we can find an avenue to goal.

The Neeld years felt like losing to Essendon by 120 points.

Skills are crap because intensity of the game is through the roof. I’ll take that.

Melksham in the middle looks like the most effective of all the moves. Tim Smith took that mark because he didn’t fly for the same ball as Weid. He has been excellent so far. Jack Viney is a bull.