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That's the sad truth brother. Fingers crossed for Gus but it's not good news.

I'm on board. At least play the bastard. He'd be no worse than Tmac.

Haha optimistic I like it. We're not good enough it's that simple

I'm upset because we should have won that, as bad as they played they could have won against the odds, but fudge me can they [censored] up opportunities. Butchers

Waste of a golden generation more like it. I know we're missing some key personnel but bugger me out failure to execute offensively will be their signature.

Choke

[censored] they should have played Grundy tonight. Tmac offered zero. Grundy would have at least pinched hit in the ruck.

Can't give up goals like that. Extremely poor.

Is May [censored] now?

Does it matter? Straight sets again

Not great. I wouldn't take it to the bank but even a broken clock is right twice a day

Haha yes, sorry you're a victim. It's not personal. I assume we're done here so I'll let you kids go back to imagination land.

You're probably right, but it's not the point I was discussing so we'll move on.

I have no issues with that argument, and I agree it's good leadership. My point was in relation to others saying it's wrong to keep him in the VFL. I'm not communicating about the actions the MFC might or should take. Fact is if the MFC decides Grundys best value to the club is in the VFL there isn't much apart from bitching publically he can do. Argue the right or wrong of the decision all you like but clubs in the past have kept players against their will. It's not an unrealistic option.

I agree your argument is weak, I didn't lose any sleep over it.

At the end of teh day the club will do what it thinks is best for both. Don't lose any sleep over it. Doesen't mean the other side of the argument is wrong. It begs the question, why did he sign in the first place? It's probably safe to say we don't know what's going on and listening to the media holds as much weight as everyone elses opinions.

Haha nothing to say, thats what i thought

You're implying the other argument is wrong because the MFC will do what's right by Grundy. Fact is they don't need to, they can keep him in the VFL for 4 years. Im not speaking for the MFC and what they will do, but the argument keep him in the VFL has merrit becuase if that's where the MFC sees teh best value for him so be it. you're correct in your point though the highlighted point is a small detail. I would argue the contract holds the most weight in this argument.

Yeh... except for the fact he's contracted and not the best player in the team at that position. Just a small detail i guess. Sure he can leave, but he can't walk out. I mean he can but he won't be playing AFL or VFL if that's the case.

Seriously need to let it go and get over yourself. #takealookinthemirror #getalife

Deserves some love. Great to have lever on board.

Kid has shown plenty, really like what they are building in the back line. McVee, Bowey and Rivo are a graeat mix of skill and pace and poise, somethine we have sorely lacked.

Kid needs a couple of preseasons, no point judging a rookie. It will all come down to how hard the kid wants to work to be the best he can be, and that takes time. I mean look at JVR, probably way in front of him in terms of physical development but still has a way to go.

The articles above suggest that Grundy is unhappy, and i don't blame him. When your a proud fella, copping a lot of media flak and playing VFL it owuld be tough. But both May and Lever went through it as well and came out better for it in their second years at the club. I hope he stays one more year and tries to make it work, but unfortunetly it sounds like he wants a move. Good luck to him, i hope we can get more than a 2nd round pick for him becuase at the end of the day if he is wanted and contracted, Port can gagf. In saying that i do like that we are good club and don't muck about players. I think that says a lot about the club.

An outside smokey or odds on?