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Whether RR is a recent conver t to this assessment of our real position or not..I like his assesment going forward...and actually agree with him (sorry mate ) that Miller and Dunn despite Jades correct appraisal that they are different, are essentially competing for the same spot. The difference is simply in the way they go about it. Miller seems ( very ybelatedly ) to be morphing into so sort of all round heavy utility. But with neither the true skills or gumption to be a gun CHF. This possie requires two fundamental., ability to mark up and down and a natural hunger to strike at the goals. He has neither..but works at presenting etc. all nice, but little damage done. He has been more hlpful down back but going alone he will be crucified I like RR ide of playing with and without Neeta. Hell we might as well find out a few things as this info is the only real win we will garner this year. a possible sharp end scenario when fit!! Juice Neeta Robbo Sylvia Dunn Yze Now thats some real firepower....well i like it :-) quick edit: for those wondering where Id put Davey.. on the wing or as reboundig HBF

yes and no.. the argument all along has been to get these guys into the mix as early as some signs are showing.. They wont all shine like Pettard... On that basis we had a win tonight..we know pettard is up to it... but had injuries not been the case we could still be wondering ten rounds later having played quite a few other past there use by date.

things that kill us.. cant be bothered to name the players.we all know them... but its really the endemic nature of the faults in our play. Awareness.... you know at times I really wonder whther we have that much...too often they seem to be looking for people instead of instinctly KNOWING where they will (or should be ) ...creates hesitation and opportunities for the op to tackle. time and time again we look like lost souls. Effective disposal....... or lack there of...now Bruce i will name as he's one of the worrst offenders here... all that effrot to get the ball..and evenknows where to put it...then doesnt...or rather doesnt properly.. I mean..you kick to a running player...not over his bloody head etc.. . How many times were poor kicks going straight to sydney... and its not just this week. Handballs ...that are just a bit off...making people stretch unecessarily..or worse putting them under the pump when they should have been strides away. these are BASIC skills.. surely its not too much to ask. There were definitely a few encouraging signs....but were eclipsed by the other week in week out sloppiness. Take a bow Petterd...in fact take two !! well done begs the question though...why did it take so long to get him on the pitch?

well ...hmmmm....:-((( lets go with whats good ( it takes less time ) workrate is up..thats good. .. Thank Godfrey ...lol.. how many has he made eat their words... he's not brilliant.. but dependable like an old lab !! We will remember this day as the game when Petterd first played.. playing with the head of a 100 gamer !! this is hard.. even Ooze is trying and doing something intelligent. well done Adem. Doggy...if it wasnt for injuires this would be your last game...you just have no brain !! Beamer is trying...little support. Is TJ going for the record for the longest time to kick in. Carrol either play in front or get a cab !! and it wouldnt be complete without a word about the umps..... well.. what to say.. woeful. Sydney are alowed space where there ought not be any. well..the pain is half over...thats a positive I suppose. Miller tried..but ineffectual...could say that about the whole team though ( as a whole...not all the players individually..).. sums it all up !!

very much so Queen.. along with probably yourself ..and dare I say thousands of others I couldnt fathom why you would wait til no real choice to debut some talent. Possibly in an idwwal world you might ease one or two into a side at a go. Goive them a taste, let them show all what possibly they have on the big stage. If positive continue. If not then put them back in teh oven for a whiles longer , then try again waiting til the chioce is forced must diminish choices and permutations. But without caring much now for the reasons why , Im glad that some fresh feet will take to the turf. Again I expect no miracles but maybe the sheer exuberance of the kids might prove infectious. Its not something we would really want to think, but fresh faces might exert pressure on some of the supposedly more settled ( read lethargic passengers ) and coax them back into a better frame of mind.. Nothing like feeling your possie is threatened to get a few moving :-))) Or put into another perspective, you may not be terribly competitive if theres no real need to compete !! Go Dees Just a decent game, anything else is cream

love the hope and will :-) but our skills are hardly silky at the moment...and the wet wont help I do expect a contest without a drubbing. go dees

ahh...someone who sees clearly without the tint of melancholy !! this bold and postive ( esp for ND ) good to see.. dont expect miracles... just a different air about the place :-)

sort of a shame he didnt just come out with the you know what ...'Unequivocal support " for the coach !! :-) ..as we all know what happens next!!. but honestly..wish ND no malice.. hope he continues on a happy road.....maybe as a "rev' he's more suited to elevators going up as opposed to where elevators going down lead !!

just on Radio Petterd to debut.. good luck kid... show us your spirit..and have a crack !! :-))

I dont know about you...but foot bal lis not ALL my life.. I have family, kids who like dad to spend time with them, have hobbies and other sporting interests. Im guessing there are thousands like me. I OWE nothing to the club after their essentially weak and pathetic attempts at fielding a football team over the last 43 years since success. There have been 'lapses' whereby some modicum of false dawn was allowed to take to the field. there have been some fantastic and great players, just no great team !!..evidence....No premierships. Simple isnt it. So who do I blame, or hold accountable ? The fans ? because ???? do they run the club ? do they run onto the grass ?..do we coach ? do we select ? do we draft, train, condition , mentor etc etc etc. And now... when the despair is at its normal pitch.. its OUR fault again is it. Just how exactly is that ? please...explain to the 10's of thousands of Melbourne supporters. And note..we still are Melbourne supporters, god knows why !! we still would dare at times to dream of success. Years back football was purely a passion, nearly every one did it on both sides of the fence mainly for the love of the game. Now its BIG business. many people glean more than a pretty penny from this gig. Players get paid for returns that would have them fired in any other job. Coaches give glib and lame reasons why they are failures... and in football they can spin their reprieve. But according to some ...the simple act of attendance will make all well.. !! thats amazing.. Ive attended enough games in my life to not have to answer to anyone. Whether I choose to is my concern. If some filth at another club thinks that [email protected] he /it is pefectly entitled to that opinion. Will i ever NOT follow Melbourne.. cant even contemplate how one does that :-) But should I and countless others consider there might be on occasions something better to do with our time.. thats for us. with membership doesnt really matter.. the money's paid anyway. Its up to MFC to provide the product, not consumers to front hard earned money for a crappy product. If you build it...they will come... build what ?? respect.. maybe some respect for the legions of fans and sponsors who have put theirs in. why would anyone bother to turn up to watch rubbish ?

mate...whilst I appreciate your sentiments and intention...we all suport as and how we can. I follow the Dees as passionately as any.. but i cant and wont go to all games..( there are other things in life )I did once, dont now... I dont answer to anyone in this regard...nor should anyone. Its all choice !! Well its a bit like the cart and the horse.. I would suggest we need to get our game right, thats players, coaches etc....before we start hassling the fans.

still ....given it takes about 10 wobblywarts to match the quality and intelligence of your average Dee....I think we're still in front...VBG !! lol Dont worry too much about what people of little imagination say....after all...they couldnt even understand colours... they just have shades !! :-))

YET !!

Book your holiday mate.. tis pretty safe..and if it involves skis....just keep mum!! :-)))

Thanks John for your interest. I'l take your suggestion under advisement !! ( looks for bin )

Now for the rest of 2007. im not sure why...i feel totally....well ...nothing at the moment. Its like it really doiesnt matter a whole lot for the rest of the year as we seriously cant be included in any real finals aspirations.. You would need to be super optimistic to think we will even end up in the top 8. Out littel red ( and blue...and boy is it blue ) wagon is a tad wobbly at present !! It squeeks !! It rattels !! and it gets rolled !! its grim.. that dawn cant be far off then hey...its geting blacker by the day. and yet we have an opportunity....Mr Phelps should you take the case !! ( showing age there ) Many clubs look upon the Nab cup as a chance to play the talent, some of it fresh, some of it out of the normal possie.. to see what the cattle do...how they react and do they measure up !! if you get somewhere , all well and good. if not its the exercise thats the idea. So to the question on many lips..... Do we bandage up the wounded, bind them in splints, shoot full of juice and get'em back out there with some feint hope of success, yet with no real end game strategy , because we wont have one. Falling over the line bleeding is lofty for us even now. Or do we travel the road not talked about? Its not throwing in the season, for to do so presumes you have some capacity to have one. Do we acknowledge that there is a pending changing of the guard...at various levels and start plotting and plodding our way down it. we may not win many games... hardly a diversion from the present. But we may equip some of the new Demonic wariors with more valuable experience. Not just of having played. But of having played with each other. To start to rebuild that knitting, to fabricate belief. Neale has done much for this club, but I dont think winning a cup will be amongst his achievements here. But he could do somethig very brave, very unselfish and probably totally within his own honourable character and thats rebuild the foundations. recast them in a new mould as the current one just doesnt work. the following are 30 ,near it or past it.. ( read into that what you will ) Doggy,Bizz,Benny,Neeta,Ward,White and Ooze...and then there's the peripheral players that may not stay too long. Much was made of our window of opportunity. Dare i suggest its shut !! A team can be like a dealt hand of cards.. sometimes you come up trumps....sometimes you can play...bu tget beaten. You did try but were outclassed. Other times you tried to bluff with a dud hand. We dont so much have a dud hand, but the cards arent playable like we thought. So what really are our choices..... bumble along as we are cannoning into all opposition getting no where. or do we take the best of what we have and add more cards ( better ones ) and be ready for the next game ( season ) Yes...Im prepared to call the season on present indicators and forseeable resources. Short of a Bradbury !! we aint playing in september...not this year. But we could turn it into an opportunity !

ok...so we're talking of positves... not really that many... but the game could have really slipped away..and it didnt, but Im wonderig if thats as much a comment on the Dees..or the lack of 'finish ' by the Dockers. Dont get me wrong, its good we kept going, especially with no real bench. I thank the lads for that :-) Good to see frosty rememebr where the goals are and have a crack.. mate keep that up and many will get of ya back some !!..BUT ... is there some competitiion between him and Neeta as to who has the biggest rubber chest ?? Neither are setting the world on fire with basic marking, endeavour good, marking bad !! ( yes I know Neeta is out ) was there any real game plan in deence....they all looked like startled rabbits in headlights !! Hospital pases left and right.. and what on earth was Jeff trying late in the game.. backwards kick for touch ?? There just doesnt seem any real poise to the team, no precision. Many times there was NOTHING to go on with !! where as the dockers created paddocks fpor themselves. Much better game for the Ooze...still way to many useless possessions ...people...numbers mean squat !! its EFFECTIVENESS !!.. but still he showed a little today...to be fair. Does anyone at Melbourne remember there is a middle corridor on the ground...?? whats this fascination with the boundary line....they on mileage rates ?? Dunn needs to stay in.. he has some brains on the forward line at least.. more games will give confidence and results. Positives ?? well we postively cant kick in for sh!t !! I'll concede its hard when you lack your A team, and have stuff all confidence.. And Im positve we will finally see some debuts next week....even Neale will have to give us that!! :-) To all you injured Dees...get better guys !! but take your time.. heal properly..get fit.. be ready for next year.. coz Im POSITIVE this year has gone by the wayside....such is life !!

Im just wondering if others would concur that it might be prudent to bring in Sylvia and/or Petterd given the track might be heavy and not suit the taller timber ? PJ would be an obvious candidate for exchange... brings into question Dunn...yes yes..love to see him back but is this the right day ? Or do you retain Dunn and leave out Russian.. ? just questions !! :-)

we differ in opinion.. others agree.. some might not such is life hope you do well in life as official ajudicator

not really... the original scenario holds in my estimation, as its is you ( or your team ) against all that would present itself to thwart that.. not so different.. whether its schedules , hold ups, manpower insufficiencies, manpowr incorrect types, no shows etc. let downs by suppliers ,supply of wrong materials, weather, chnages in plans etc etc.. fill in the list with whatever......they all have one thing in common, they are against...and they rail agaisnt you like an opposing team.....what a coincidence !!

you know the expression...... send in the clowns !! they've started !! lol i dont mind Pete... its not like it all really makes any difference. he's out there......might get us a bit of publicity.. welcome aboard Berner... grab a lifejacket !!

thankyou :-))

there was no vindictiveness..everyone was being good.. sudeenly its locked.. who and why..am sure others migh tlike to know also

I'd entertain Mark Harvey... add to the interview list for sure

lol....dont give them ideas !!ffs !! lol