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yep, most fourth round picks show some level of desperation.

said this on a different forum, someone turned it into our new slogan for 2013. gold.

Things to do: - institute man on man football - make a decision - not all four of Garland, Watts, Dunn and Frawley can play down back at once - only one of Sellars or Pedersen too - if McKenzie is a tagger, he must start next to his opponent at each bounce not out on the wing and coming into the contest - Boak won centre clearance after centre clearance whereas Kornes was next to Jones all day - is Grimes a midfielder or a half back? He can't be both - Jamar must clear the contest with his taps each week not simply tap it to his feet - belt the hell out of it and get the ball into space - pray to every god known that Saturday night isn't as big a disaster as yesterday

Aunty did too. Sellers reckons we are a lock for the spoon.

It's entirely possible that we drafted a better player, but we need more attack at the ball and competitive drive, and Wines has that in spades. Toumpas will be a good player, but never in a struggling side. Wines will compete no matter whether you're being flogged or beating up on a team. We've gone for silk over grunt, again, and it will haunt us as we have few players capable of getting the ball into Dmitri's hands. A like the Camporeale analogy - he'd look like a $1m player in a decent side, but with us? He's going to bear the brunt of supporter angst or a Lin time.

Jamar can win the tap but that's it. There's lumps of coal that would do a better job around the ground. Remember when he could be relied upon to kick a couple of goals a game? What happened to that bloke?

I'm coming around to my mother's negativity that it's not if, but when. As a club we are so lacking in so many areas that it truly beggars belief. I don't think I'll follow any one club; I barely support the Dees these days, as I have little but contempt for our board, our coaches, an our players. I love footy as a game, but I certainly don't love the Dees. Go Swans-Hawks-Cats-Lions!

Gillies reminded me of Chris Lamb yesterday. So slow and the turning circle of the QE2.

Left just on three-quarter time. I'm beyond caring about the club to be honest, thankfully they play such a small part of my life I'm able to do so. The kids had a great time - 6 year old girl and 3 and a half year old boy had a great time, got to dress up in their Dees clobber, play in the G playground, get their face painted. Fortunately they don't really care a out the football either!

Agree, said it in the game day thread. Abysmal football with no system whatsoever.

In all honesty, I think we look worse than we did in the corresponding game last year against the Lions. Just woeful. There is no system in place whatsoever. Happy they paid Schultz's hanger, even tho he was clearly over the line. Quite the speccy.

How's Trengove's touch and pace after so long off the track?

I don't know about Watts being moulded to r like Fisher - he lacks the desire for the physical confrontation too much to compare to him. I see him more like a taller version of Mackie. Nic Nat's elevation to All Australian status was premature, but he most certainly is a freakish talent. It's all immaterial as we have one and not the other, but fwiw I think Watts would be considered a fine player if he'd gone top 10 to a strong club not top pick to us. We NEED him to be a star for us. I still don't think he will - a fine serviceable player, but no star. In terms of #1 picks I see him more as a Banfield (one of the first picked every week who can do a role for the team) as opposed to a Riewoldt (genuine star player).

Is it true Kent twotted the bloke right in front of the umpire?

I have us finishing third from bottom, ahead of Footscray and GWS. Our structure might be better but we've tipped up with a bunch of promising kids and NQRs who look - like Magner - to be good VFL players who might start with a bang before tiring. Our midfield is very thin and lacking in depth, which is where games are ultimately won and lost. I expect us to be able to stay in games longer but still struggle to eek out wins.

yes, and it's not working as they've not cracked the 50k like they expected to do. they can moan and groan as much as they want, but they're behind their targets.

potentially a great get for revenue alone. doubt we'll be able to drive memberships like the hawks (and to a lesser extent the kangaroos) have, but money on the bottom line is money on the bottom line. would i rather play gc17 / gws at docklands or tio? tio, everytime. if anyone ever has the opportunity to go to an afl game up there, take it. it's a brilliant experience of watching footy.

Older demon and mjt on the money for mine. Fortunately my kids are too young to know any better, so they support the Dees just cos dad does. Fingers crossed we are successful sometime in the next decade, otherwise we'll lose yet more of what's already a dwindled supporter base. The Dees and the Dogs face the biggest challenges in the AFL to maintain a supporter base. The new franchises will ensure that the money that used to go to propping the likes of us, North and Port up instead will go to those two northern money pits. If the broadcast rights deal for 2017-2022 isn't another bonanza there'll be serious repercussions.

Unfortunately it's about where I expected us to be. Still, the opening round looms and who knows, we could be 6-3 and happy little campers heading into Round 10. Here's dreaming.

so watts is back in my dream team side i guess...

AFL Predictions: Brownlow Medal: Nathan Fyfe Coleman Medal: Buddy Franklin Rising Star: Brad Crouch Grand Finalists: Geelong V West Coast Premiers: Geelong Wooden Spoon: GWS Biggest AFL Story of the Year: It's already happened / is happening - the peptides / Essendon drug scandal The Biggest Improvers: Brisbane The Biggest Sliders: North Melbourne MFC Predictions: B&F: Nathan Jones Leading Goalkicker: Chris Dawes Best First Year Player: David Rodan Most Improved: Jack Watts Final Ladder Position: 15th Biggest MFC Story of the Year: Board turmoil

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I'd rather Lewis and Thomas.

He's a gem to watch, but I don't think he'll ever be a permanent midfielder. We are no chance of getting him either.

Would love it if Thomas was at the Dees. Ellis is another UFA I believe that would add harness as skills to our list.