Bonkers

Sam Rowe is out of contract & Schoenmakers is a free agent. You could argue making a play for either is not taking your list forward long term. Both could be list cloggers. However they could also give us some insurance and flexibility if we were to get injuries. Schoenmakers is capable of playing back and forward, would most likely play at Casey for the majority of the year. Does anyone think either of these players could fill a spot on the list ahead of someone like Tim Smith?

I find it hard to see how they will fit Beams into their cap when they can barely fit a player like Langdon in at the moment. Also how will they have the trade currency to bring Beams across? What picks or who would they be looking to ship out to fit Beams in?

I don't believe this is the case. Adelaide were in a situation last year where Lever was out of contract and wanting to move. They still got 2 first rounders as they said they would from the start. If Freo don't cough up what we want then Jesse can stay next year and we will be at the same place we are now asking for 2 first rounders with potentially more interest from WCE to drive up the price when they are looking to replace Kennedy.

I would need to look at who we bring in after the trade period to judge. If we lose our depth players and can't bring players back the other way....potentially yes.

Rucks are in demand. I agree that they may not be a straight swap but can see why the clubs would do the deal. Dom is a 30s or 40s pick perhaps. In the past players like David Hale have moved for a late 20s pick and swap of late picks from memory. Preuss certainly is not David Hale but I think he showed enough in 8 games to suggest he was capable of replacing Goldstein if they persisted with him. Most outsiders can't figure out why Preuss wants to come to us as there is a perception of him being good enough to be a number 1 ruck at AFL level. He'd get more chance at that elsewhere. I think based on that speculation I'm happy for the club to take a gamble and swap him for Tyson if it improves our list. If we do play Preuss and Gawn in the same team it would hopefully provide our mids with first use for 4 quarters. If Gawn does get injured we have insurance as well.

Not much of a player manager if that is the case. He will have to decide to move this year or next if he doesn't want to re-sign for a long term deal. There is no point dragging it out, we will just be here next year doing the same thing again if he doesn't move on this year. WCE may have a better hand next year as well. We will demand the same deal next year as we are now so there is nothing to be gained in waiting it out for Freo or Hogan. In fact Hogan has something to gain by moving as he will get a pay rise. Personally I think whats playing out in the media is a bit of a charade. A deal is probably close to being agreed and they are waiting on the Neale deal to go through for picks to be freed up. Meanwhile Freo will beat their chests demanding more for Neale and drag it out until they get more out of Brisbane. So we wait.

8 delistings or retirements so far I believe, with one of those from the rookie list. 4 players are currently on the trade table. We have 4 picks in this years draft. Edit: I believe the poster was proposing to give up two picks for one first round pick which would be used on a trade. That would leave us with 2 live picks. We may get picks in return for Kent, Hogan and maybe Tyson so perhaps not an issue.

Interesting if that did happen we would be running out of picks to use in the draft? We'd need to get some picks back somehow to fill the list spots?

Yes everything is possible and that may be the case, personally I wouldn't take the risk. A bird in the hand and all that.

The poster discussed Jesse signing on again until 2021. Yes we can trade him next year as well. If we were to extend his contract to 2021 that would be a bad outcome IMO.

That's probably the worst outcome unfortunately. That would take him into Free Agent status, we would get a singular draft pick if he was to leave at that stage. The best outcome now is a long term contract signed for 5 years or a trade.

Yes I believe they haven't used a first round pick in the draft for 3 years. This year will be the first time they have used a first rounder since 2014? They would have applied to use last years first rounder for a trade completed in 2016. Possibly Touhy?

We can't trade next years first round pick due to trading first round picks from previous years. Unless we trade out a player (Hogan) we don't have currency to bring in high end talent such as May, Shiel, etc. We would have to apply to the AFL to use next years first round pick. Even if the AFL allowed it and we proposed to offer it up for May, it may not be enough to convince GC to trade May. They are likely to want something now for him rather than wait for next year unless they can on trade it for a player which I think is unlikely.

-Hogans points average on games played were top 5 in the B&F this year. He missed the top 10 due to missing games -Rd1 3 goals and 16 disposals rd 1 vs Geelong, Rd4 24 disposals and 1 goal vs Hawthorn, Rd5 22 disposals and 1 goal vs Richmond. Are they bad games as a CHF? You tell me. Personally I think they are decent games in a losing side. -Hogan averaged the highest amount of Goals and Marks for any player under 25 in the AFL this year. He is the highest ranked CHF in his age bracket in the Comp. - MFC traded 3 & 13 in exchange for Hogan, pick 20 and Dom Barry when Hogan was first drafted. The deal you are proposing is less than what we paid for him after Hogan has improved his value since he was drafted and the MFC has put significant development into him. It does not make sense that his value has diminished, but that is what you are saying. - If you believe the rumours the offer being put to Hogan by Freo would make him one of the highest earners in the Comp at $1.1-1.2m p/a. You can't expect to make a Godfather offer to a player to bring him across to another club and then expect to pay chump change as compensation to the club you are trading with.

The way it's been reported in the media made it appear like it was a sure thing for him to be traded to Melbourne. His manager has told other clubs not to enquire about him as he wants to move to the MFC if what's been written is to be believed. I thought Mahoney said what he said to keep North in line and to make it appear like we aren't that desperate to trade for him and therefore attempt to keep North's demands lower. What can North realistically expect us to pay for a player who they don't pick to play, doesn't want to be there and has played under 10 games of AFL? There's not much else available at the moment. Like you said Zac Smith or Roughead, they aren't much chop but may be ok as insurance and low salary? Shane Mumford wants to make a comeback but I've got no idea whether that is a feasible idea or not.

I'll simplify it for you: Out: Jesse Hogan In: Pick 5&6 / next years first round Out: 2nd round pick In: Brad Hill This trade scenario allows the club to bring in May and potentially another high quality player via a trade. Personally I'm not that interested in Hill but that is his value. Why would you cough up a first round pick for Brad Hill? As another poster mentioned he's a downhilll skier and certainly not worth a first round pick. The deal you're proposing is slanted towards Freo not MFC. I'll give you the tip, Hogan was in AA contention half way through the year playing in the hardest position to play (CHF) as a 23 year old. Name another player in the AFL of the same quality in the same age bracket or younger we can replace him with that would cost less? The only way to replace him is via free agency, the draft or from within (weidemannn). We won't be replacing him this year as the Lynch boat has sailed and any key forward we draft will take 4 years to develop. Take a look at the amount of key forwards GWS drafted and that were supposed to be good AFL quality players. None of them have gone anywhere near justifying the draft pick they were taken at. You might not rate Hogan and that's fair enough he has some limitations, but he also is only 23 and you know he's going to kick you 50 goals a year for another 7 years. How many other KP forwards can you say that about?

How is that slanted towards the MFC? In that scenario we are giving up a first rounder for Hill who is a second round pick based on a trade 2 years ago. They'd want to offer up a higher quality player than Hill if they want our first round next year. The price for Hogan should be 2 high first rounders alone. There's no reason to give a first rounder to them for a player like Hill. If they want to throw in Hill offer them a second round pick and exchange of later picks in their favour or don't do the deal. In any case I doubt Hill would be involved in the deal.

Brad Hill left Hawthorn 2 seasons ago for pick 23. Freo would want to throw in more than that to get the deal over the line.

Oliver is in the top 5 for afl player ratings, top 10 SuperCoach, top 10 afl coaches association and probably top 10 in the Brownlow in a year he's been playing with 2 busted shoulders. He is on track to be ranked 1-3 in the afl player ratings if his form continues and he keeps relatively injury free.

I'd be surprised if we accepted pick 75. We gave up pick 66 for Harley Balic and pick 54 for Viv Michie both of those players had barely any runs on the board at AFL level. Based on those trades and the contract offered to him by the saints I'd say Kent is worth a pick in the 30s or 40s despite his injury record.

He was 3rd in the count until his injury. That rates him only behind Oliver and Gawn and they are both top 10 players in the comp. Outside of Hogan there aren't too many 50 goal a year forwards in the AFL. What would we have to pay to trade for one? I'm tipping every other club would be asking for the equivalent to the Treloar trade for someone of Jesse's proven ability and age.

Exactly. We are in a strong bargaining position regardless. The only way we don't get what we want is to cave in, or Hogan chooses to go to the draft next year, which will not happen and hasn't happened since Luke Ball. We will get 2 first rounders this year or next year if Hogan wants to go to Freo and we stick to our guns.

West Coast were good in the 2nd quarter not just the last half. But it's ok to have different opinions.

It was a game of two styles. While the pressure was high and the game was scrappy Collingwood got on top in the first quarter because it suited their style and speed of play. To West Coasts credit once they were able to make it 50/50 and stem the tide in the midfield they slowed the game down and started possessing the ball. Collingwood were then restricted in their scoring and whenever they tried to move the ball forward they rarely had a marking option which made it very hard for them to score. Cox was not really that effective apart from a couple of marks due to the body pressure put on him which Richmond were not able to do for whatever reason last week. In the 3rd and 4th quarter the Eagles aerial dominance took over the game and they really should have been further in front at the final siren. Their marking and size prevented Collingowood moving the ball out of defence often and it allowed WC to have repeat 50 entries without actually putting it on the score board. It also nullified Collingwoods forward pressure as their marking in the back half stopped te ball from hitting the deck as much and took Collingwoods ground level players out of the game. When transitioning the ball I think I counted around 4 or 5 contested marks for Darling in the 3rd quarter alone after he has a bad first half. This allowed WC to play a kicking or positional game. It was a good example of how to nullify a teams run and pressure.

In all fairness we have no idea if it is indeed a side business or not. For all we know the business could be the only thing bringing in money for his Mother/Family, or it could be a multi-million dollar business etc etc. His priorities are his family and his long term employment prospects (football and private sector). The Swans may offer him 3 years and the MFC only offer 1, he can move close to his family and business. What would you do? It's not that hard to understand really.