daisycutter

Why do you have to be so damn rational? Spoilsport

OK then, thats feasible So who do you play 2ndRuck/Fwd (assuming Jamar should rest in Fwd line)?

Haha! In Jack Dyers day they had 4 rucks to a team and no interchange. Ruck Rovers as we know them really only came in Barass's time So couldn't rest them all in one place, and rest they did then - not as fit Mind you they didn't have 200cm rucks either. Many got away with it at 6'

granted, that is a valid possibility

Why do we have a thead dedicated to a Hawthorn player? Mods should lock this thread forthwith!

Agreed rucks will rotate rarely thru the bench from now on So where do you "rest" them? Basically two choices 1. Deep on the forward line 2. Deep on the back line To me its an easy choice. The forward line is least risk AND easier to have a "rest" because you have more chance to "anchor" yourself. Plus when its your turn to go back in the ruck you are probably more "rested"

Of course relative to ruckwork it would be less tiring but not necessarily a rest except when the ball is in the centre or the other end Don't forget in recent years Rucks have been MOSTLY rested via the bench - not any more I don't want a tired ruckman roaming around the backline when it makes much more sense to rest him forward where he doesn't have to cover much ground just another 2c worth

but that wasn't the modern game WYL with the interchange madness its go go go, think about it

I'll stick with doggo on this one If I was a fwd and a ruckman rested on me, I know what I'd be doing, run, run, run And don't tell me he could play a loose man just floating, he's a ruckman FFS

or, no strengths?

Dead right doggo You can "rest" in the fwd line if you anchor yourself to the goal aquare and provide muscle and a contest Can't anchor yourself anywhere on the backline, gotta move, move, move

I don't mind the pick at all - esp if his fitness concerns are addressed But there are no bold and decisive picks when you are talking of rookie picks especially at the rrrz end of the rookie list. Not being hard at all - just realistic

Now you are really streeeeetching it HT Nearly all rookie picks are highly speculative one way or another we were also desperate (rather than courageous) for a mature age ruckman

As for being a hand out recipient it all depends on the chicken and egg Is it a handout or are they returning the "clubs" money to the clubs? The clubs handed over control to the AFL to represent them (the clubs). Sorta like the feds collecting the GST then handing it out to the states with a little bit of adjustment here and there The AFL want you to think it is a generous handout from a benevolent charity - don't be fooled. No clubs, no AFL (yes, I know, and vice-a-versa). They also reward themselves quite handsomely too. Bottom line. Never feel like a social security recipient re AFL grants

anyone notice if Callum Sinclair was picked up anywhere?

This is all true, but I don't think it is a deciding issue The offer on top of that to maybe win a flag is the icing on the cake Swap Haw with NM or Ess or Syd or Rich or Bri or...... would the option clause be enough. I doubt it just another 2c worth

I've been thinking the Bruce thing over and I'm coming to the conclusion he's doing a Stan Alves/Greg Wells. I think he wants a tilt at a flag before he retires and sees Hawks as a better window I don't think money is the real issue, although it always helps. Cam has a share in a successful business, has made a sheetload and by all accounts hasn't squandered his fortunes. Contract term is a part issue, though at either Melb or Haw his chances of a renewal for 2012 will depend on 2011 form with maybe the Hawks prepared to quantify what is reqd in 2011 and Melb will only agree to discuss at EOY. Just my 2c worth

or even OPRAH

You do talk rubbish Jacks. For variety of tactics I would say soccer rates behind all the football codes except maybe NRL

I think you mean a filthbag If an Essenscum player had a web site it would be because he was a scumbag Come to think of it Dayne Beams would be incapable of creating a web site let alone be capable of any articulate scribblings

Can't understand why the soaps wasted 9 overs this morning Their only problem is time, weather permitting

you're only stating the bleeding obvious rhino I'm not asking for a rain dance, so far they deserve to lose just remember there are many twists to a test match - weather included, don't be so sure of yourself you can claim 1-0 only if and when it happens, thats cricket

Sheesh HT, so I fat fingered a cut'n'paste. Shoot me.

After 3 days of the Gabba test the bookies had us at odds on to win You should know better with cricket Rhino, its never over till the fat lady puts in an appearance MON Showers. Afternoon Clouds. Warm. Humid. 7 km/h E 5mm (61%) 75% 20 29 TUE Heavy Rain. Mostly Cloudy. Warm. 12 km/h SSW 13mm (99%) 84% 20 29 WED Showers Early. Mostly Sunny. Mild. 11 km/h W 2mm (35%) 87% 16 25 And Punter could always make a double ton Having said all that the aussies are shizzenhausen

Huh? 1-0 down. Could have fooled me.