daisycutter

A bad attack of hyperbole is generally a sign of argumentative desperation Stupid comments like that are not worthy of argument

And for getting caught holding the ball

This thread has sadly degenerated to the absurd and ridiculous Anyone reading this and looking for a balanced viewpoint would be sadly wasting their time Its way past its usefulness, move on

Yeah weird weird choice I personally prefer Kevin Wilson's "Hey Santa Claus you [censored]" Xmas song Would've sounded great set to MFC words ......"Shift him around the other side, Bails"....

Don't worry, you can always give it to me

What was E25 doing in that video?

My bad, you're right fd, its who she is following (only players she follows are collingwood ones - interesting) The list of those following her was 3,366, so I couldn't be bothered going through it

I was more thinking Kevin Rudd, Shane Warne, Mick Malthouse, Dane Swan, Travis Cloke, Dale Thomas Wonder why they have to register as followers where everyone can see them, when they can just check it via internet anonomously? SFB. And Kevin Rudd WTF!

Maybe, but she is not alone. Many more of her ilk out there (worrying) Not to mention many players (and other "celebrities") a few chops short of a bbq

Thats not what I was referring to Ox, but I can't be bothered to explain myself as it will just be misinterpreted Put it down to my bad mood this morning (which is another story)

Without any moralising, this is just a sign of the times we live in, both with respect to attitudes and availability of technology Jerry Springer et al have a lot to answer for Expect to see a lot more of this sort of stuff in future, and yes at some stage it will visit itself upon the MFC As an aside, check her twitter its_k_isabella and look at the list of followers. Some interesting personalities (yes, our Shane is there).

Well as long as the boys club is happy Let us all know when you have finished the back slaps

I liked one posters comment "If the pic she has of me surfaces, please let me say in advance it was a very very cold day..."

Sort of, but not Warnock. Garland improved and Warnock didn't, in fact dropped off in form, got sent to Casey and couldn't get back in even though he played ok at Casey. However I think Warnock's days are passed unless he reinvents himself. I just see Col as a place-sitter until we develop one of our draft picks or we get lucky and draft a ready-made KPB close to our window (long shot) Not saying either of these things will happen, just my preferred outcome

C'mon E25 he said he saw them at China game. Not a big crowd of travelling aussies there and I am sure they socialised a bit. Are you calling him a liar? Pathetic effort

Not ugly at all. Just robust debate, not even that robust actually. Ironic coming from you. Anyway, whats your point about short memories? Let me make one point clear, I don't think anyone is being critical of Col. Certainly not me. If it reads that way well let me correct you. He's one of my favourite players. I just happen to have a POV that he is not my desirable KPB type except where/when circumstances dictate. I'm saying this purely with a premiership in mind. 2008 is in the past and buried as far as I am concerned. Anyway the polling is going 4:1 against my POV

They probably wouldn't recognize you either Not sure of the relevance of your remarks

I'm not talking of having someone outside of the best 22 being the 2nd KPB I'm talking of having the 2nd KPB playing CHB (or FB depending on matchups) I'm also talking of the future, cos we don't have the 2nd KPB yet Then when you lose one, Garland can fill the KPB role (not some depth player outside the top 22) The fillin outside the top 22 then picks up the flank/pocket position You seriously underrate the potential role of a HB flanker. This line is often the first line of attack. Having good finishers and/or line-breakers on the flanks is not in my opinion a role for blind monkeys. A strong HB threesome is a very critical line. This was one area where Geelong really excelled. And btw I prefer to keep Grimes there (most of the time anyway) for that very reason.

Hahaha, seeing as how you are comprehension retarded Two "Frawleys" = Two genuine KPB types Lose 1, still got 50% One genuine KPB Lose 1, got 0% Now what is better? And I don't give a toss what other clubs have got. We are talking of MFC winning a flag

thanks Nasher for saying nothing but the obvious Your last point is not a solution merely a reality. In truth we would be very exposed in defense. FWIW I'm happy to have Col play CHB(FB) at the moment, because 1) there is no other good option, 2) he does do a reasonable CHB(FB) job most of the time and 3) the backline work well together most of the time and compensate for each other. But you could not describe Col as a backline general in the mould of a true CHB My wish would be to have another "Frawley" ready in time for our next flag I see Col as a major player in that time too, but there are a lot of roles he is capable of P.S. Fevola was crook/out of sorts when they played us this year. As was Browny.

A flanker is not necessarily a fixed position in todays game with zoning, interchanges etc. Are you suggesting Grimes has his effectiveness limited because he is a "flanker"? I think not.

I think you understood well the context in which I used the term pinch-hit So you don't think we should be grooming a KPB for the future And you didn't answer the question as to what happens when Frawley is injured

Look at it another way Frawley is obviously a genuine KPB Col is a great defender who can pinch-hit as a KPB esp depending on particular teams/matchups but IMO not a genuine KPB What happens if Frawley is injured (and he is bound to be sometimes). We are now seriously exposed We now possibly have to cover 2 genuine KPFs Ideally we need to groom another genuine KPB. If we can, then because of Cols great versatility, there are still plenty of other roles for Col

Never said you have to have all 5 KPPs I said "Not at all saying a genuine CHB type is a necessity, just a nice to have" Same applies to any KP. There are plenty of examples of premiership sides missing a KPP That doesn't mean those clubs didn't want to have one of the missing ones I thought this thread was about Col as a KPB Just because he plays very well as a HBF or BP doesn't mean that translates to a great CHB (or FB) And lets not muddle terms such as key defender with KPP

That may be today's reality, but it doesn't mean Col is a genuine KPD (CHB or FB) We can cope with current situation and we have versatility Sometime down the track I'd like to see a permanent genuine CHB Hopefully one of our young draftee talls will develop into this role Not at all saying a genuine CHB type is a necessity, just a nice to have I get the impression reading this thread that Cols tyres are getting pumped just a little To put it another way Col is a great HBF (or BP) but not a great CHB