daisycutter

lets see. How many years did the press call us the Invincible Whites? Couple of years, 3, 4? that would be before the VFA, VFL, AFL years wouldn't it? but if you really feel strongly about going back to all-white why don't you suggest it to the club

clever rpfc. You cropped the start of the para and took it out of context here is the original para meaning "predominately white" is down the very bottom of my list. But you knew that, you 'ol stirrer you. and last I knew fucshia could be considered a shade of red - the mfc used to think so

Just to be picky HT. Its not "light pale blue" its either "pale blue" or "light blue" you make it sound lighter than it is. Its actually got a decent intensity. According to the CFC site they call it "sky blue" re early 80's guernsey. If you mean as a clash guernsey then yes it is better than the white s***. If you are being facetious and mean as a home guernsey then absolutely no. I would prefer the pink cancer strip as a clash guernsey to the white. The colour is actually fucshia ironically. On the day we wore it, it quite grew on me after the first few minutes. I don't think many others would agree though.

Hey rpfc, can you imagine the Dorks with a paler shade of their colours would still be wee'n'poo - poor ole Dorks

well it certainly aint now - unless certain clubs get preferential treatment but that wouldn't happen

do you mean 2012 or 2013? he doesn't get drafted till Oct 2012 under what rules could he play in 2012?

I always thought he was being groomed to be a CHF maybe in the mould of a riewoldt

Good. That gives us 2 full years on the stretchometer

Hmmmm, maybe (as long as Tubby doesn't do the adds - he's a big NFL fan I hear)

Cute semantics Nasher No-one is claiming pale blue is a panacea (or even better than white) just that its worth exploring Prior to this everyone said that "predominately white" was mandatory and Vlad would never bend, this just opens the kimono a little For all those KKK lovers I guess its a non-issue

Major Sponsorship with Daikin - now thats cool

Could be "2nd Ruck/Fwd finally found" announcement - Cameron Cloke?"

I'M GETTING BIG KEVVED

New Demons Logo? New home and away jumper? New Clas Jumper? Captaincy? Sponsorship? Juice elevated to Snr List (allowed because free veterans place) - JUST KIDDING OK

Thanks thats a start. I know you just tossed it together but it can be improved on (bigger MFC, thicker red vee, all red sox.....) re pale blue better than white. Not convinced yet (may change my mind) at least its still red'n'blue My real preference is still the reversed home jumper (which we had for a while) but if we have to go lighter there has to be some sort of compromise If we absolutely have to go white (at least short term) then I want to see coloured shorts (to break up the total white look) Edit: YSL must have slept in this morning

Lets see what someone can come up with design wise first before slamming the gate Depending on what comes up I might end up agreeing with you on pale blue, but lets see

Here is the new carlton "clash blue" Its not actually that pale!

E25, I think in theory this would work (JV is in the correct 4 month period) However you claim two benefits 1. Get him for a cheaper draft pick. e.g. 2nd round versus 1st round. GWS might go for this cos if he is F/Sed they get nothing. But it depends what other clubs might offer for GWS to prebook a 17YO. 2. Get him a year earlier. I don't think this works. GWS prebook him in 2011 but I think only hand him over for MFC drafting in 2012. If you just mean we get him "wrapped" up a year earlier then we can still do this if JW is prepared to pre-nomonate for F/S in 2011 (before GWS 17yo prenomination) but again he doesn't get officially drafted till 2012. So, assuming JW, MFC and GWS can all come to agreement (big if) we could get JW wrapped up for a lower pick sacrifice only. I think!!

OK to kick it off here's one suggestion All pale blue background Red V stripe (a'la old South Melbourne) Red piping at neck and sleeves Red "MFC" gothic letters (as in emblem) under point of vee Sponsors logo New emblem over the heart Pale blueshorts with red piping or strips All red socks Edit: maybe add some navy blue highlights too ? "pale" blue to be as "dark" as Vlad will allow

Thats right old dee, welcome aboard - finally some light at the end of the tunnel All those arm chair experts who said Vlad would never accept a clash jumper that wasn't "predominately" white. Eat your shorts! So, who's gonna design the first all red/pale blue (no white) demons clash jumper??? C'mon Redleg_24 sharpen that graphics tablet of yours Pale blue may not be a Rolls Royce, but its still a Statesman compared to Great Wall White!

What good is a windmill if you can't have the odd tilt? Keep smiling old dee from another oldie

but you could say the same about all the rookies in his case he would be a mature age rookie. The only reason to draft a mature age rookie is if you think you will get senior games out of them. With Hansen the odds are huge he wouldn't. so don't draft him. pick another mature age rookie with better odds or go for a young smokey to develop.

well, the P=Provocative (you can work out the rest yourself)

Thats right, its just "Martian" talk And look at all the free publicity/interest its generating. How gullible people are.

But the question is not whether they should have cut Hansen or not. Its merely how they (mis)managed it. Its not the "end" in question but the "means" They didn't want him, fine, cut him loose at seasons end, pay out his contract and avoid negative comments. Its not hard