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Yep it makes sense, Lyon could have got him to where he wanted to go. He made a point about what St.Kilda would accept but it was at Balls expense. It's not Ball's fault that, as the whole industry knows, Collingwood are almost impossible to deal with.

All contracts end 31 October. AFAIK he can nominate for either draft or both.

He can nominate for either with contract terms and the firts club willing to mmet the contract and spend the pick get him. In the PSD that's us, in the ND the club has to be prepared to spend the pick, that wouldn't be us because we would need to to use 18 to trump Collingwood's 30. I doubt he'd go earlier than 18 unless Port was in the market at 16 so Ball needs to look at the clubs with picks 19 to 29 and see whether he'd get thru to 30.

Would he get to Collingwood at 30 in the ND with $400K x 3 on his head? I think it's possible.

While true - it's annoyingly large on my Blackberry.

effectively McLean + Henderson for Fev + 27 - good work!

TRADE WEEK: Brendan Fevola and pick 27 to Brisbane. Lachie Henderson and Pick 12 to Carlton

Biggest trade non-event Heffernan + 15 (426) for 10 (Laycock)

Really? And last to pick 30?

Internet rumour: TRADE NEWS: Burgoyne to Hawthorn. Picks 9 and 16 to Port Adelaide. Mark Williams and Pick 24 (from Port) to Essendon.

we must be watching different games agree - I don't think he's in their bottom 6, but he could get injured and Bartram and Dunn offer similar to his replacements damned by faint praise? So does Steven Armstrong Now you're getting the picture, he's not a good player St.Kilda (like Sydney) has a history of trading for other teams unwanted and unloved and plugging specific roles with them - Buckley, Bartram or Dunn may fit a need. Are they worse than Charlie Gardiner or more unloved than Zac Dawson was?

How many hookers in the Carlton crew limo that met them at the airport?

Swans looking at 14 + 46 from Collingwood for Jolly. Surprised Sydney is not in the market for Ball - he suits them perfectly. I'd reckon the 14 in the Jolly deal straight to the Saints or to the Dogs for Everitt in a 3-way would get the job done with change. If they can swing the 46 part for Mumford it would be Ball and Mumford for Jolly - not a bad week's work there.

I can't see what advantage Everitt provides to the Ball deal for Collingwood and St.Kilda. Collingwwod has to give a decent player to the Dogs for Everitt, a player they could just as easily offer the Saints. If the Saints wont accept 30 for Ball the Dogs wont accept 30 for Everitt The issue is whether Collingwood is prepared to offer a decent enough player for Ball (or Everitt). Us giving 18 for Everitt doesn't change that, we should only do that trade if we think Everitt is value at 18.

Yes I think it's possible, there's nothing great about St.Kilda's bottom 4 or so - McQualter, Ray, Dempster, R.Clarke ... It's their top 10 that make the difference and the fact that the rest of the players stick to the plan. These players may suit the St.Kilda style: Buckley is in a similar mould to Gram, Ray and Clarke Bartram and Dunn can play similar roles to Jones, Clarke, McQualter and Dempster One of them may have appeal when packaged with 34 + 50. More appeal than if Collingwood is offering Toovey, Stanley, Cook, Corrie or Bryan.

Yes that's right, this discussion pre-supposes that the player(s) Collingwood offer are not satisfactory to St.Kilda.

Very good point the clubs involved - Saints, Dogs and Pies are all competing in the same window. We could bundle in pick 50 to the Saints also which is before their current 2nd pick. Currently they have 32, 64, 78 34 + 50 + Bartram/Buckley/Dunn That would give them 32, 34, 50 Still leaves us with 1, 2, 11, 18, Ball and PSD1 Yes please!

Maybe St.Kilda would be interested in 34 + a player if Collingwood can't come up with a decent player. N.Brown has got to be inked in as the Presti replacement, can't see him being traded. Maybe Reid who hasn't progressed as well. Collingwood reportedly refused Goldsack.

Collingwood and St.Kilda both have traded away their 1st and 3rd rounders AFAIK that leaves them with: Pies: 30, 62, 78 Saints: 32, 64, 80 The Saints aren't going to trade Ball for 30, the Pies will have to involve a player.

Used to be but it changed last year. Kennett "misinformed" - I guess it would have been a bit rich even for Whorethorn if Pelchen had come out and said Brown was never on the table. Kennett probably didn't know - if they had any sense they'd keep him right out of the loop. Port still over the same barrell.

If the trade can't be agreed Burgoyne just goes into the ND with 4 years x $600K and the Hawks pick him up with 9 and Port gets nothing. There's a small risk another club may jump in but realistically no club is going to use an early first rounder on an expensive player who doesn't want to be there. Port is over a barrel. The PSD to us is 100-1.

Shane Woewodin It's a cruel, cruel world ...

Some clubs are active in trade week and their list managers are keen to do deals. Others seem to mysteriously disappear and don't anything done.

Feasible trades would be: 14 to St.Kilda for Ball Ball to Collingwood for 14 Davis + 38 to Eagles for 7 7 to Sydney for Jolly + 38 Jolly to Collingwood for Davis This would free 7 for the Fevola trade: Fev to Sydney for 7 7 to Carlton for Fev Nett: WC +Davis+38-7 Collingwood +Jolly+Ball-Davis-14 Sydney +Fevola-Jolly-38 Carlton +7-Fevola Sydney have 28 from the Buchanan deal so you can substitute that for 38 if you like. [censored] could get done but clubs are focussed on trying to gain too much advantage rather than win-win

Listening to some draft chat on SEN. Mark Robinson would have to be the dumbest most ignorant journo going around. I'm particularly thinking of journos who never played so are only there for those skills. BT, Harford, Maclure, Shaw and Walls are hopeless but they have playing credentials - not that it makes any difference.