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Welcome to Demonland Toby Bedford
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-draft-how-fatherson-and-academy-draft-picks-work-explaining-the-bidding-system/news-story/2336f3c1b618638b6f5637bab62676fd Academy club also gets 20% discount on the points of the pick the other club initially selects the player with so only has to give later picks worth 80% of the points.
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WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - STEVEN MAY
I agree it's a mystery, particularly since I think we'll struggle to fit Hogan, TMac and Weed into the same line up. Adding Preuss just makes it harder.
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WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - STEVEN MAY
I'm not a fan of 2 rucks, especially when we have solid and capable relief in Weed and TMac.
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WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - STEVEN MAY
I can see that we could improve our KPD stocks, despite Frost's good year I'm not a believer. I'm not a believer in 3 tall forwards either. I'd much prefer to go with Weed back or even Hogan. They would be better than May IMO and we already have them. May is excess IMO
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WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - BRAYDON PREUSS
I'm strongly in favour of recruiting Preuss as depth ruck but I'm strongly against playing two rucks when we have Weed and TMac already doing good job. Not sure why Preuss would come under those circumstances but I'd welcome him.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
And yet you've made the same post about 30 times in this thread. Irony?
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Andrew Gaff
I never saw him reported as a Free Agent. Link to evidence?
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Andrew Gaff
Lever wasn't a Free Agent. With all the discussion associated with that trade last year it's difficult to understand how you came to think that?
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Josh Kelly
He was drafted in 2013 so next year is his 6th year so he's not an FA until 2021. He is out of contract next year.
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Who are our bottom six? And where do they rate?
I can make an argument that the skills or lack of skills of the bottom 6 is possibly less important in the modern game. It more important that they can follow team rules and execute their defined role. In a tight GF finish, luck - Milne's bounce; and skill - Scarlett's toe poke can make the difference. I plead guilty of saying earlier this year that ANB's skill errors could cost us a GF but really that's not right, he plays his role very well and will be hit and miss with his finishing. List management and the salary cap means every team will have an ANB in it. Ultimately it's a combination of every team member adhering to a successful team system and whether enough the top echelon can deliver excellence on the day that matters. I agree it's not just about the top 6. I'm confident we'll be good against Geelong this week and it's reasonably clear their top 6 players are superior to ours. We lost at Geelong this year because Ablett and Hawkins got a hold of us in the last quarter. Dangerfield, Ablett, Selwood, Hawkins, Duncan and Stewart are probably better than the best 6 we will field - that's partly because some of our best players are still young and have not reached their peak and partly because Hogan and Lever are out. I do think Geelong's quality drops off faster than ours. But I think it's our contested game style and attacking power that will make us competitive and Max and Clarry will need to fire.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
Yes that's a realistic line-up. The 3 talls forwards are holding out AVB, Hannan and Kent The 3 tall backs are holding out J.Smith and Hunt
- Who are our bottom six? And where do they rate?
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
If they do that they push someone else out of the midfield rotation - that's why the 22 in the 3 sets IS relevant.
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Who are our bottom six? And where do they rate?
I'm surprised that you can't see the distinction between being rated in the top 6 and actually bringing that on GF day - it's not circular. 8/10 of those NSMs are best 6 with probably only Lake and O'Keefe as outliers and some may even argue that they were top 6. Across those "best" lists there's only Graham, Langford, Ellis and Osborne who are bottom 6. That's 4 out of 70+. They just don't make an impact.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
The team breaks up into the forwards, mids and backs at the game breaks - these categories do exist even if "forward pocket" no longer exists. It is meaningful to group the players into each area and see what type of team balance you get and who misses out.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
Both those sides are missing Fritsch
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
Keen to see some best 22s and the associated forward lines with Hogan, Weid and TMac all in that forward line.
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Who are our bottom six? And where do they rate?
It's a myth that it's the bottom 6 who matter in finals, it's the top 6 that have to be capable and fire in big finals. Here's a list of the "best" from Wikipedia for the last 10 GFs with the Norm Smith Medallist highlighted. The lists are dominated by the best 6 players at each winning club. 2017: Martin (NSM), Rance, Houli, Astbury, Prestia, Edwards, Graham, Grimes 2016: Johannisen (NSM), Picken, T. Boyd, Macrae, M. Boyd, Dahlhaus 2015: Rioli (NSM), Mitchell, Smith, Hodge, Gunston, Burgoyne, Frawley 2014: Hodge (NSM), Lewis, Mitchell, Roughead, Hill, Lake, Langford, Burgoyne 2013: Lake (NSM), Gunston, Lewis, Rioli, Hodge, Birchall 2012: Hannebery, O'Keefe (NSM), Kennedy, McVeigh, Jetta, Goodes 2011: Bartel (NSM), Selwood, Hawkins, Ling, Johnson, Chapman, Ottens, Varcoe 2010: Ball, N. Brown, Jolly, Pendlebury (NSM), Shaw, Sidebottom, D. Thomas, Wellingham 2009: Chapman (NSM), Rooke, Milburn, Taylor, Selwood, Ablett, Corey, Bartel, Ling, Scarlett 2008: Hodge (NSM), Brown, Ellis, Sewell, Crawford, Dew, Rioli, Osborne, Williams The reason MFC has failed to win flags in our competitive years in the 80s, 90s and 2000s was because our top 6 was not elte. That's different now - our top 6 is developing to be as good as anyone's and that's why we're a real threat.
- Who are our bottom six? And where do they rate?
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
Dave's not here man.
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
We played all 3 in R 6, 7 & 8 this year and then abandoned that plan. Weed is a improved since then and can be expected to improve more next year, and there will be rule changes - but is that enough to make it work?
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Farewell Jesse Hogan
It's a great problem to have, but it will be tricky to manage. I think only 2 of Hogan, TMac and Weed fit forward - we tried the 3 tall fwds earlier in the year and it worked briefly but then failed. We've got it at both ends. I think also probably only 2 KPBs fit too - that's currently out of Lever, Frost and OMac. We've got Keilty and Petty developing there nicely too - although they will be more patient. The added curve ball is that Hogan and Weed could play great football back too, so that may be a solution to the forward problem but add to the defence problem. It will come to the crunch in 2019.