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Just to be completely clear it was Treloar + 33 for 9 + 8 (next year) + 63 A 2nd rounder came back to GWS.

it's the nature of the beast. I should add Ben Kennedy and Pat McKenna in there too

I think there are 3 kinds of trades for players: Blockbusters with early picks and big salary involved: e.g. Lever, May Role players for known quantities: e.g. Vince, Lewis, Hibberd, Melksham, Garlett, Tyson, Bugg, Preuss Speculation for players that have unrealised potential: Frost, Balic, McKenna, Kennedy, KK In some ways #3 are most interesting

Norf fans on BF claiming (in the Preuss thread) they have Josh Kelly in the bag next year too on a handshake deal with GWS, even with Gaff, Polec and Hall coming in this year. Must have bottomless salary cap.

If VDB and Tyson are traded, the midfield before any additions looks like: Core (5): Jones, Harmes, Viney, Brayshaw, Oliver Mid/Fwds and Mid/Backs (4): Petracca, ANB, Fritsch, Salem Fringe (2): Stretch, JKH Development (2): Maynard, Baker

He is out of contract at the end of 2019 but he is not a free agent then. Scroll back through the thread if you need verification, it has been explained a number of times.

It looks like the fact that Hogan is not a free agent next year has to be re-stated on every page of this thread.

If the full 11 are off then there's 28/33 ready to go. There's the 22 from the PF minus VDB and Tyson = 20 Plus 8 ready to go: Lever, Stretch, JKH, Hunt, Fritsch, Garlett, T.Smith, Wagner Plus 5 development: Maynard, Baker, Petty, Johnstone, Keilty - some of them could play in 2019 too. That's if everyone mentioned leaves and before we add any.

By my reckoning we'd still have a squad of 28 ready to play AFL players even with the 11 out and none in. 44-11=33. Only 5 not ready: Maynard, Baker, Petty, Johnstone and Keilty - even then all of these are close. So I think the depth crisis that some are worried about is overblown.

I think the AFL gave Geelong permission last year. They just want to protect against basket cases and desperate regimes selling their future down the river. But if the club looks in good shape I think they'll allow it. Here's a possible link I found but it's behind the paywall https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/geelong-can-again-trade-its-firstround-draft-pick-in-2018/news-story/82989f88db7d2425be27dae06077fab7

It is possible that Jason Taylor has identified a premium early draft prospect and we want to trade in to get him like we did with Clarrie and Weed. There's a lot of different scenarios to play out. Fascinating times. The report that we asked permission to trade our 2019 1st just adds to the intrigue. I've only seen a couple of posters say this and haven't seen an official confirmation though? I guess it just provides more flexibility and may not be directed at a specific target. Sounds like future picks will be eligible in draft night live pick trading too http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-08/twoday-draft-to-add-live-pick-trading

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I thought you said Oscar had "no AFL attributes"?

Yes good point. Saints could down grade 3 (4 after Lynch) with Adelaide or Port and use the pick split to get Hannebury and still have an early pick. They have said they won't use 3 on Hannebury and their next pick is a 4th rounder so they need to do something like that. That's another potential deal ahead of any deal with Brisbane that would flow through Freo to us. Access to those 7, 9 & 10 picks via Freo for May is looking tricky. The Hogan compensation is fair at 2 early firsts and it might be that Freo only has 4 (from Neale) & 5 (5 & 6 after Lynch) to offer - good for us!

A lot of assumption that we are going to have 9 or 10 from Freo in the Hogan trade. But it is not clear that Freo will be able to get them from Port:

A lot of assumption in this thread that Freo is going to prise 9 & 10 from Port. I don't think that is clear at all:

Four South Australians in Cal Twomey's latest Phantom Form Guide: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-09-16/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-september 2. Lukosius 3: Rankine ... 8. Rozee 10. Hately Port hold 9 and is expected to get 10 from North for Polec from North. That would put them right in the frame for Rozee and Hately. Adelaide holds 7 & 15 (from us for Lever). Gold Coast will get 3 as compensation for Lynch and these picks will go out by one. GC will hold 2 & 3 - if Port or Adelaide want to get into the frame for Lukosius and Rankine they probably need to trade with GC. A lot of the Hogan / May discussion with Freo has been based around Freo trading pick 4 and 22 (5 & 23 after Lynch) that they receive from Brisbane for Neale to Port for 9 & 10 and then on trading one of them to us. This reading of the play suggests that pick 5 may not be early enough to get into the Lukosius / Rankine frame - it looks like any deal has to be struck with GC to me..

Yeah well welcome to the world Rumplestiltskin. We just don't operate that wat because what goes around comes around and we're fair dealers.

No points are also used to value picks only trades.

Pick 4 = 2034 points. Pick 9 = 1469 points the difference is 565 points. Pick 33 = 563 points. So pick 4 = pick 9 + 33. The closest pick Port hold is pick 27. If we offered pick 4 to Port they'd offer us back 9 + 27 which would still favour us. There's no way they'd offer 9 + 10 which equals 2879. It's not that hard.

[censored] they'll do the deal with Brisbane or Freo who hold the picks worth the equivalent points.

The #1 hasn't had a great run at MFC.

Posters need to realise that the points deal to get Port's 9 and 10 is 4 AND 22 that Freo get from Brisbane for Neale. The talk of us trading just pick 4 or even 5 for 9 +10 is fantasyland. It's really not that hard to look up the points table. Also 5 + 10 for Hogan values him much higher than 4 + 22 for Neale.

Andrew Brayshaw is proven general midfield quality who has had a good exposure to AFL. He had a very solid AFL year, he was a lock in my fantasy team so I followed his progress and he consistently built throughout the year. Relentless midfield quality rotation wears down the opposition. And yes there is something in the Brayshaw name. Good culture is key to success. I love the way Angus goes about it and that's highly likely to be a Brayshaw trait that Andrew will bring. It also brings a stronger bond in adversity. I think we also get a lot from the Macs. I love Toms approach and Oscar seems very similarly smart, sensible and driven.