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Yes I'm keen to see Dec train with the forwards, he has got some form there at VFL level and tall depth forward is thin whereas tall depth back is deep and he's a long way back in the pecking order.

Thanks for that WJ, using your "Ins" from that post, I said I'd add the outgoing future picks to balance the ledger and provide the full context and AFAIK here's the current state of play prior to the conclusion of pick trading and live trading on draft night (the outs don't have the deal status). Source: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-17/trade-period-verdict-how-did-your-club-fare 2019 Draft Selections Adelaide - In: 2019 round five draft selection from Carlton via Mitch McGovern trade Out: 2019 third-round pick, 2019 fourth-round pick Brisbane Lions - In: 2019 round one draft selection from Collingwood via Dayne Beams trade, 2019 round two draft selection from Gold Coast via pick swap, 2019 round three draft selection (tied to Fremantle via pick swap) from Port Adelaide via Sam Mayes trade Out: 2019 first-round pick Carlton - In: 2019 round three draft selection from Adelaide via Mitch McGovern trade Out: 2019 second-round pick, 2019 fourth-round pick, 2019 fifth-round pick Collingwood In: nil Out: 2019 first-round pick Essendon - In: 2019 round two draft selection from Greater Western Sydney via Dylan Shiel trade, 2019 round four draft selection from Essendon via Travis Colyer trade Out: 2019 first-round pick Fremantle In: nil Out: 2019 third-round pick, 2019 fourth-round pick Geelong In: nil Out: nil Gold Coast - In:: 2019 round one draft selection from Brisbane via pick swap, 2019 round three draft selection from Richmond via Miles-Ellis trade Out: 2019 second-round pick, 2019 third-round pick, 2019 third-round pick, 2019 fourth-round pick, 2019 fourth-round pick Greater Western Sydney - In: 2019 round one draft selection from Essendon via Dylan Shiel trade, 2019 round two draft selection from Carlton via Will Setterfield trade, 2019 round four draft selection (tied to Gold Coast via Jack Scrimshaw trade) via Tom Scully trade Out: 2019 second-round pick Hawthorn - In: 2019 round three draft selection from Port Adelaide via Chad Wingard-Ryan Burton trade, 2019 round four draft selection from Western Bulldogs via Taylor Duryea trade Out: 2019 third-round pick, 2019 fourth-round pick, 2019 fourth-round pick Melbourne In: nil Out: nil North Melbourne In: nil Out: 2019 fourth-round pick Port Adelaide - In: 2019 round three draft selection from Hawthorn via Chad Wingard-Ryan Burton trade, 2019 round four draft selection from North Melbourne via Polec-Pittard trade, 2019 round four draft selection from Gold Coast (tied to Adelaide) via Jack Hombsch trade Out: 2019 third-round pick Richmond - In: 2019 round three draft selection from Gold Coast via Miles-Ellis trade Out: 2019 third-round pick Sydney - In: 2019 round two draft selection from St Kilda via Dan Hannebery trade, 2019 round four draft selection from Carlton via Nic Newman trade Out: nil St Kilda - 2019 round four draft selection from West Coast via Tom Hickey trade Out: 2019 second-round pick, 2019 fourth-round pick West Coast - In: 2019 round four draft selection from St Kilda via Tom Hickey trade Out: 2019 fourth-round pick Western Bulldogs - In: 2019 round three draft selection (tied to Hawthorn via Jack Scrimshaw trade) via Marcus Adams trade Out: 2019 fourth-round pick

I can't wait for full training to start and see which groups specific players are training with. It gives a good indication although I recognise that things can change quickly in season e,g, Salem mid to back; and Fritsch fwd to mid to back last year and Melksham back to fwd in 2017. Anyway hers's a stab at it starting with whom I consider to be the locks (you're free to disagree): Backs: May, Lever, Jetta, Hibberd, Salem, OMac, Lewis, Frost, Petty, Wagner Mids: Gawn, Preuss, Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw, Harmes, Jones, Stretch, JKH, Maynard, Baker Forwards: TMac, Weed, Melksham, Petracca, ANB, Spargo, Hannan, T.Smith, Garlett Of particular interest: KK: back or mid - I'm tipping wing role as a mid. VDB: probably mid? Hunt: has been a back but I think there could be a role change - possibly forward Fritsch: the most versatile - forward, mid or back? He played back at the end of this year for coverage and I have FD intel that this is the preferred role for him J.Smith: was a back but I've posted elsewhere that I like the idea of him forward, has the height to spoil intercept markers and the pace and tackling to lock the ball in. The FD tried him there at the end of this year twice. Keilty: plays back at Casey but they use him as a swingman and goes fwd to create an effective target, With our plethora of tall backs and shortage of tall fwd depth I'd like to see Dec training with the forwards.

Wow that's a very ordinary list. Clubs are getting ahead of the curve and trading players before they becomd FA.

I had a bit of a soft spot for Freo, fellow travellers in adversity and all that. I don't wish Jesse any ill will personally but Freo have lost me. I don’t like North and Freo are up there with them now, unlikeable but unremarkable.

Dion Johnstone was delisted.

Almost "Obviously I do want to play in finals and flags, but at this stage it was more important to get back around my family and friends, and have a fresh start.”

Agree interesting times - there's still a big emphasis on a "settled line up" that can work in co-ordination - particularly in the backline.

Dododo strikes again .... https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2018-photo-posted-by-essendon-list-manager-adrian-dodoro-appears-to-show-teams-draft-board/news-story/7b476327c681e4ddb3d249d708ebb40b

Wow that is good to hear!

May vs Hogan at Optus Stadium next season, bookmark it.

Quite frankly that looks completely normal to me and seems like it was forever to be so.

Max had average game time of 85% in 2018: https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-melbourne-demons--max-gawn?advv=Y If Preuss and Max both play then Max could drop that to say 75% gametime to help his longevity. Preuss would need to play at least 65% gametime so we don't lose out on rotations. That means they'd be on the field together (minimum) 40% of the time - assuming they are never both off together.

It's worth re-iterating that Steven May chose MFC over offers from Collingwood and Hawthorn who also made finals this year - really who would've thought that even 2 years ago? And he cited the key reason was "the guy" Simon Goodwin, that means he preferred Goodwin over Clarkson and the reborn new age Buckley! Wake me up, I must be dreaming!

I think they've taken a big risk with a potentially unhappy player with an unhappy wife. But then again they do think they are still in the window with Ablett in his last year and other stars around 30 now so they really have no choice but to go for it next year - they are still topping up in this trade period. I think they are deluded. I hope they are too.

This is an excellent point. Kelly is a unique position - at Geelong in his 2nd year after being drafted he's locked into the mandatory AFL draftee pay scale and he's not going to sign an extension at Geelong because he wants to leave. At WC next year he'd still be locked into the same 2nd year amount but in the future years of the extended contract they are going to give him they could pay overs each year to make up for his mandated low wage next year. I can see why he wanted to move now and would be [censored] off stuck at Geelong on low wages vs his output..

I'm not disputing that Hogan is a great player. His last game for us this year was the loss vs Sydney, after that with TMac and Weed as key forwards we went on a four game winning streak against top 8 sides - WC in Perth scoring 108, GWS 102, Geelong 75 in a low scoring match and Hawthorn 104. I don't think Hogan would have made any difference in the PF. I think there's a fair body of evidence there that the forward line is not a glaring weakness.

Maybe, but getting the deals done for the list compounds UP the line. Fail to get a deal done because you play hard ball and the list is a year behind. Sure we could've risked waiting for May as FA next year but it pushes REAL on-field results another year down the track.

Thanks for that WJ. It would be good to see a version with the "outs" against each club too so the true result can be understood. Might do it if I get the opportunity.

We tried Joel Smith forward a couple of times this year including in the 2nd half of the PF. He has that incredible genetic leap and is fast and a good tackler so his defensive capabilities are sound. It will be interesting to see if he's training with the forwards next year.

There's a difference between being sad to see Hogan go and canning Mahoney.

Let the melts begin Paging @EnterTheDragon

They don't have 30

Neale + 30 for 6 + 19 + 55 values Neale at 6 + 35

Neale + 30 for 6 + 19 + 55 values Neale at 6 + 35