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Watts is 17 FCS. He is underage playing in the comps he is playing so well in. He is the top KP prospect in the draft and Rich is no Judd from all accounts. Take Watts, if he nominates, and get our 2 development coaches to develop him. Brereton was a great CHF, he is an awful journalist. That does not mean he doesn't have insight though. But he has given me no solid reason not to go with a young promising CHF/FF.

BB was actually the bloke who gave Campbell Brown some toe, he was as slow as Benny Holland as a schoolkid, and now he can match it most at the highest level.

How about making the insignia red and blue coloured instead of all blue? If it was red and blue, would have made it different to Carlton and would have got my vote.

He was too expensive, too old, and we need people to cull - we still will find it difficult get rid of as many as the club wants - all this outweighs an 'insurance ruck' for the bottom team in the league. Warnock or no Warnock.

Perceptions change. I thought that Garland would be a certainty to be delisted - 21 rounds later and I think he can be an amazing CHB. Besides a good kick and motor, Bate has great hands and plays the lead up forward role better than any 21 year old in the AFL. You may say he doesn't play a true CHF, fair enough...but who does? He gets the second best defender every week and when Miller is up on the wing or playing crap or injured, Bate gets the No.1 defender. He is tougher than you realise, I hope he shows you something on Sunday. And if not, I guarantee you he will show it next year. Again I say - trade the older players before you trade a 21 year old. This is nothing more than common sense, just seems to be not that common...

Just as an aside - Lauded means praised, you might be thinking of loathed. Hopefully he can give Jones some toe. And Moloney. And Valenti. And McLean. And...well, I think you get the drift. Our midfield is slow. That's what i'm trying to say.

Bruce has been good this year but if a top 25 pick is offered - take it. THAT is not criticism, its the reality we face. As for the second paragraph, my god... Bate is 21 playing at CHB predominantly, he is too slow for a wing but as a lead up forward has shown he can mix it with the best. His 4 goal game against the Swans was great. "Fails in big games"?!?!?! What big game would that be? We are 3 and 18 FCS!! and last year, when he was 20, we were 5 and 17. Bate is the kind of player that in our position, were he at another club, we should target during trade week. We are last, have won 8 of our last 44 games and people want to keep good 28 year olds over promising 21 year olds?!?! A few here need a reality check.

I wonder how many of you, who are acclaiming our rich and long history, know that at an early stage the MFC was known as the 'invincible whites.' And this wasn't a reference to an exclusion of aborigines but because of the colour of the jumpers they wore. Both are fine. Voted A, but B has some class to it.

Not off the top of my head but Capuano was paid out mid-season so I don't think there would be a time limit to when you can pay out a contract. It should be a clubs right, it's their money.

I don't know about that but if he is we may just pay him out. He can't be on much and for all our awfulness it is still difficult to find enough players to cull.

People need to read a lot less Patrick Smith. The President and the board has been in charge for about 4 months. The coach, Football Manager, 2 assistants, and 2 development coaches have been here 9 months. You don't ruin a culture in 4 months, especially when its already "nothing" as the AFL told Gardner. We need people who are passionate about the club, and people will say "he already turned us down, how does that show commitment?" Unlike Fox, who turned us down twice and went and asked the AFL whether we were worthy of him, Schwab wanted a break from footy and was unsure of his desire to leap back into a CEO position. Hopefully he is going somewhere quiet until October, and then he needs to roll up his sleeves and get to work.

Grinter was a runner for about six years until 2006. So he had a role at the club before this 'cabal' was formed. Thankyou for the clarification of your post at the end, I knew you weren't joking, you weren't making any sense but you weren't joking. BTW, of your previous post - Freo right now is in the strongest position it has ever been so maybe you should build your argument around the facts not the other way 'round.

The club is rightly thinking that in 2011, the third year, that Brad Green might not be in the best 22 and they do not want the salary cap strained by a thirty year old on $450k! That is where we are at with White and Yze, and the club knows its talent is young and it has to plan accordingly. And walk where? The PSD will be us, WCE, Freo, and PA. He wouldn't risk it and we will get a decent trade if he is set in going. Whether we should trade him is another question entirely, and alot has already been said.

So the core of our young team will be 27, 28, and 32? Get another development coach if our talented youngsters need guidance (we already have 2), if a 1st rounder is on offer Prendergast should take it. If we do the right thing with our recruiting, I doubt in 2011 that either Green or Bruce will be in best 22. Or be an emergency.

What should be our policy concerning our playing list if not based on youth? Our list, apart from our kids, is shallow and past their best. What a pointless thread.

More valuable? The Unknown Quantity. Welcome to a rebuild - tough decisions and educated gambles.

He is contracted until 2010, and I doubt he has any value at the trade table. He's not going anywhere.

If they are 27 and 28 respectively I would. They are too old to be around for our next tilt, our talent is young and we should strengthen with 18 to 22 year olds now so that we have our best chance of a flag. The fabric of the club may be torn by trading Green, but who cares. The fabric means nothing according to the AFL, is $5m in debt, and was coloured silver for 4 games this year. It's already ripped to shreds. Seriously, if you think that Brad Green leaving will hurt more than Woey, you have short memories or you are just searching for arguments to give an irresponsible $450k three year deal to a 27 year old.

We have won 8 ou of our last 43 games. That stat is not going to improve a great deal in the coming seasons with or without Brad Green. But the stat will improve in 5 years time when our list is entering their window of opportunity. What would we rather have, a 32 year old forward pocket coming off the bench, or a 23 year old top 15 pick? Don't give this rubbish about leadership, McLean (with all his failings as a person) has more leadership in his broken right foot than Brad Green does. He has played very well this year, and been incredibly brave but his worth to our tilt is in his value on the trade table, not as a player, and certainly not in some obtuse Mr Miagi style, teacher-student project for our younger players. They want professional guidance they can get it from a player young enough to be involved in our next flag tilt, or - here's an idea - they can get one one of our two development coaches to help them out. He has had a fine career at the Dees, but if a top 15 pick is offered, it would be remiss of the coaching staff not to take it.

For our surge up the ladder to 10th? Let's have an agenda that looks to a flag and not protection of careers. In terms of a flag, their value is in the draft picks they may attract. I'm not saying get rid of them at all costs, and nor am I saying that they haven't been fine servants of the club. What I am saying is that glory requires sacrifice, and we desparately need some glory.

Everyone is looking for a dynamic midfielder in the Judd mould. McLean is an endurance runner in the mould of Robert Harvey, Jones is a strong clearance player similar to Luke Ball, and I reckon Maric has the vision and skill to become a Brent Harvey copy. We don't have a Judd but getting rid of Luke Ball for a speculative pick that may or may not get you Judd is pointless and damaging.

He still has that problem with handballing to the wrong option, although you can say that for half the team. Needs to have more confidence kicking the ball around the ground and I think he will do better in a set shot situation. BTW, jeez, Newton has a good kicking style. Hope he can keep it together for a few games.

Teams tank at the selection table, not on the field. Two awful teams played at the G and we were hungrier, the end. They were crap, they are crap. We won in a scrap because we are also crap. And to the critiques of that performance from the Demons - wanting a polished win from a group that went in to this game 2 and 17, and on the back of a 20 goal thumping, are kidding themselves.

I think he is a good player, I want a flag. 1st round pick and thanks for the memories champ.

Whether you are wrong or not, I ask anyone to gather enough players to delist to get Valent and Wonnas promoted, get the first PSD pick, and picks 1, 17, 19, 35 and 51 (as CC said we would take). That is 8 deletions with only Neitz, Yze, Holland, White, Weetra, and Bode as certainties (IMO). If Bode has another year, I don't think he does, but if he does i'm sure they will pay him out to accomodate the places required to rebuild the list.