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That’s not going to be much. Our stars were banged up and we limped to the finish. Swap those players and it doesn’t change the result.

Happens to most.

He is on $100k more than the average player. You can’t have that currency sitting at Casey. These are facts, we can’t go around and around disputing the truth. It’s infuriating.

All those coaches have made Grand Finals. And none of them wanted to really talk to Essendon, let alone coach them. Then the spin came.

Do you have anyone to corroborate this?

You do see that as a ridiculous clarification though don’t you? We want to pick a coach that has plenty of coaching experience… (looks around room and sees only weird looks from former senior coaches) …doesn’t have to be as a senior coach!!! Can be as an assistant!!! Ruling out?? Jake Melksham? Luke Hodge? Like I don’t care but they wanted Lyon and Clarkson to be falling over themselves to come to them they are so deluded.

@KLV:Hopefully the truth it uncovers helps us in the white community to understand and learn. ….aaaannnnnnddddd… You’re nearly there. …aaaannnnnnndddd… …face consequences. You nearly got there…

I think it’s safe to say they didn’t think that their would be accusations of such reprehensible behaviour. It’s all so draining. I’m going to watch Andor again.

2nd year in a row least scored against. Also our defensive structure and full ground ‘web’ has been 4 years in the making according to Gawn (interview last year) and driven by Chaplin. Worthy winner. I wonder if we should shuffle people around. I don’t believe that just because he is a former defender that he can’t take over the forward line. The new coach of GWS, a former back pocket, coached Riewoldt at St K and Nick is adamant he was the best forwards coach he ever had.

I don’t think any differently…

Don’t put that evil on the future! Classic boomer behaviour

I believe in the presumption of innocence, but I am over the days of the presumption of lying and duplicity. Let’s get to the bottom of this - because it may have ruined peoples lives. And that’s when, yes - it will ruin a few livelihoods. That’s called consequences.

Leigh Matthews rates the list manager/head recruiter as the most important jobs. We need to keep Taylor, probably Lamb too, with the past record. Assistant coaches can come and go. Although we will need a strong personality to keep Goodwin’s man management style balanced. That means tactical coaching and also someone to push Goodwin on his favourites - which is always the downfall of those type of coaches - the currency they trade in is loyalty and not performance.

Actually I am wrong, multiple reports say 5 years. That was… not wise.

I don’t think he has 2 years left. He wasn’t given a 5 yr contract.

You may have thought it was fairly clear because my argument and what you thought my argument was are two sides of a coin. As in, the remedy to the perception that the AFL Integrity Unit cannot help the broader footy community is to have it be more reflective of that community. And whether that perception is reality or not is kind of beside the point. My best mate is a cop and I love him and he is a great person but his experiences have changed his views when it comes to Indigenous and African members of the community. He is quick to judge and assume and I can see him doing his job well if he had someone of those backgrounds to assist but I can see them be guarded with the way he talks about their community and their proclivities. Anyway, we are getting way off track. Happy to chat in the grey though - that’s where the answers are.

So that’s one of my points; you accept there has been racism in the past but refuse to engage in a specific instance where racism, or even the perception thereof, may have played a negative factor. A panel of white former cops is not going to engender confidence in indigenous footballers to engage with good faith with an investigation because they don’t think it will be reciprocated. Its the most benign argument I have made on here since I argued last year that Weideman might be better in the ruck. If you don’t see the point I am making and prefer to conflate it with some sort of ‘reverse racism’ that is your tactic of deflection to use. But don’t think we can’t see it as a tactic.

I wasn’t deflecting, I was contextualising because you think that if you boil down someone’s alternate view to some horrible argument then you have won. But if you think that the horrible argument that me and many others are making is that we have historically racist institutions in this country… lol Then you have just boiled it down to the truth. Welcome to reality! The toilets are to the right, the drinks are on the left, you can dance where you find room but avoid the buffet - it’s been out a long time because we’ve been here an effing long time!

I am always amazed by those that have a worldview that is constantly attacked by the facts on the ground. You can think what you want about me, but I worry for you and those you influence that cannot see what is right in front of you. Is this news abhorrent? Are those charged with assisting those impacted set up to help them? What would diminish reporting on things like this in real time? Unfortunately for some, these are questions that you don’t want asked because the answers only lead to conclusions you simply don’t want to acknowledge. You can live in that alternate universe, but don’t expect my silence when it comes up in actual reality.

I said that? Every white cop is racist? I intimated that a unit with that make up is not ideal to manage, not encourage, accusations made by indigenous Australians in their workplace. Talking about attitudinal issues, go stare at yourself in the mirror and say that the biases and preconceptions of 5 white former cops is a healthy place for indigenous people to receive their ‘natural justice.’ If you can do that, you would be looking at a deluded individual.

@ding and @faultydet you can throw up all you like but what biases and preconceptions do you think that unit takes into its investigations and reports? Like FMD, there is a massive segment of Australian society who will admit there are issues but not admit the underlying causes, effects or impacts, or any remedies. Just a message of “why are you making a thing of it?” and excuses or portrayed grievance and victimisation.

And backed up by ubiquitous and sustained historical experience… No one is fired yet, but we are allowed to be appalled.

And this may be why having 5 white former cops in the AFL Integrity Unit (in Jimmy Carr’s voice) is maybe not the best idea…

Hird got 12 months for conduct unbecoming. … just something to think about.