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How is ND22 and $$$ hardball? It’s fair ball.

That is exactly how I see the scenario and our role has to be that ‘you have created a scenario at your club where you have a wage you want to reduce and are at an impasse other than for that player to be traded to us - here is a pick in the 20s and a commitment to pay $650k. Take it or leave all your October plans as just that’

I think it is more the role he plays where he helps the backs out and yes, uses his workrate to link through the middle. But he also does some disruption around stoppages for CO13 and CP5. Not to mention allowing CP5 to pizz off forward sometimes by himself as he follows his bloke. I actually think it is a problem to have a FORWARD have that much responsibility that isn’t to getting in the right spots for us to move the ball and hit dangerous spots in the F50. Next year, we need to tweak our web and the direction to our forwards so we actually have players coming at the ball carrier. We also need to up our pressure again but let’s not get into it in this thread. This thread is to celebrate our Demon God Clayton. May we all live in eternal damnation and evil fire at his altar. Amen

Well prepare to be bored then

Pretty good top 5. We’re very lucky to live in this timeline.

I would wager we aren’t offering 3 years at the same money the Eagles are…

So often he was the only spark from the backline, as others were inert - he would run and show dare. Sad to see him go. Gives opportunities to Bowey and possibly a new kid in the draft.

Copy paste from One Note? Impressive.

No doubt but I also know that the game plan or at least the web and the defensive side of it is Chaplin’s. Goodwin is a players coach who will alter how the team plays as the assistants deem necessary. That’s why it’s perfectly fine him being on the bench; he is managing the players and their mindset, not the gameplan itself. And it is with that I mind that I just think unless we miss finals 2 years in a row - with this kind of talent - Goodwin will continue to win enough to stay in the role for a long time. And for some to think that Yze should take over in the next 2/3 years - it’s just not based in reality.

I hear his man bun gives him special powers! #grundymyths

Good thing they got that Senior Coach with Senior Coach experience that their Prez said he wanted, hey?

Yes, we’ll be the Greater Melbourne Demons. Always wanted to be a regional AND city club. Seriously though. I don’t care any more. I know we can compete from Casey and I know that it will grow and be an elite facility and we should lean in to that side of the bay and be done with it.

Yeah, must have been PowerPoint again

@Rhino Richardshave at it, RR. A facepalm only days so much…

Yes, and how a culture can fester even when it is winning, sometimes because it is winning. They need to stop litigating this in the press; but that email response from the Prez to that person in pain was heartless and hopeless.

Of that top 10, only White, Munro and Buntine are journeyman VFL players. That puts pay to the argument about our kids not being able to shine enough at that level. Chandler, JVR, Laurie, and Woey all top 10. Plus Dunstan and Baker. Seems like a perfect alignment to me for sustained success from our VFL feeder team.

Why would we do that? We have one of the best coaches in the game; proven to be able to win flags. He’s young. Probably the best players coach since Clarkson and we are going to just throw that away for an unproven Yze? Unless Goodwin is done with it all, we will keep him till the end of the decade surely.

Wow

Yeah, I think we all hope that the truth is somewhere in the middle so that we understand the reaction and the bad blood but that we can see some humanity in people that are at the centre of this… Such a depressing mess. And again, well done to the club that had this culture that has waited to better itself so it only ruins 3 other clubs and head office. Hawthorn is a disgrace of a club.

We won’t be able to move him. All good. He is fine back up for Grundy/Gawn.

Who is attacking the accusers? Have you been on social media or are you above it? Our society has built itself around an ethos of marginalising those alleging mistreatment of those in power. At the risk of ‘triggering’ people, the #metoo movement was a reaction to this ethos and that is the shift that we need to make in reacting to those who are alleging wrong doing like this. I presume innocence (in fact I wish it is all a big misunderstanding as a family friend is caught up in this), but I am past assuming lies and deceit from the accusers. Nor will a failure to meet ‘the burden of proof’ in whatever investigation/litigation make their claims false or condemn their behaviour in looking for justice.

I know you never want to argue with someone on the merits of what they are saying and prefer to build a easily defeated straw man so I don’t expect anything better than the above… But just for the record, I don’t assume guilt and those accused will get their right to ‘natural justice’ but I am past the point of where society has been where we attack the marginalised that have been brave enough to report the assault on THEIR justice. But it’s great to see you back from BigFooty, there’s only so much enjoyment you can get from agreeing with 14 year old Tigers supporters hey?

I don’t want a recent retiree near us. If we lose Adem and Williams we need to replace with experienced assistants and dev coaches. We are chasing flags, we are not here to be a teaching hospital for neophyte coaches.

And are we to infer the testimony of the players and their families are not sufficient evidence? Whose testimony will be sufficient? Or do these alleged heinous acts need to be recorded, or written down? There will be two versions of the “truth” that will never get near each other…and god I hope we can get near a clear awareness of what happened but I just don’t see how it could… Absolute mess. And whatever you think about these allegations, for that club to let this get this far with so many former players is a [censored] indictment on that club and those involved - even if the specific heinous acts can be explained away.