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I don't think Dogga has found his best role (as opposed to position) within the Melbourne side. Is he best competing in the ruck contest, or roving around as a tall, competitive mid or kicking goals deep? We all see his potential and upside, but we don't know how far that will extend. With maturity and experience he will find that role and hopefully become the star that people talk of. That is what we are trading upon, not that he is comparable atm to Grundy, Carey, Dusty or Gawn

To be fair Dazzle, Dogga has been hampered by a knee injury for most of this year and he is still learning at 20. How many other 200cm big men have got to his level this early in their career? Very, very few I think Freo's pitch to play him as a mid next to Darcy in the middle is an amazing possibility for them

Would think it is in WC's best interest to play the trading game and make Freo honestly believe they are a chance. Float the prospect of pick 2 just to get the ball rolling. I think pick 2 on its own would be acceptable. The Sheezle or The Cadillac would be massive long term talents in red and blue. But I cannot see any club with a top 5 pick trading it away, that's where the true talent is in this draft Otherwise I fear Freo will just delay until the last minute and offer us way unders. 13 and their future 1st is pizz poor

Then what do we use for Grundy? Please god not a 1st rounder 🙏 PS. I like the idea of Freo's future 1st, bc I wonder if they might slide back a little and also because of the quality of next years draft

And yet Brisbane's McInerney was toiling away under our nose at Casey, almost a free hit!

The ball moves faster than the players. I'd rather the ball in a slower player's hands with quick vision and decision making than those of Baker any day But I too hoped TB would stay

Wasn't BP at Carlton after us? Lol

Paddy 'Wow', lol!

If his role model is Fabian Francis, North should take the deal and be done with it. Let it be Port's problem His behaviour this year indicates they should've traded #1 last year to Adelaide while they had the chance. Would've been better putting the time and resources into two later first rounders in 2022 rather than a homesick kid with poor attitude from the start

Murphy, Weitering + ? I'm assuming ours includes Jeff White, even though he was originally picked by Freo

Before or after it came out in the media? Even if it was before, likely an optics plan B. ET do you honestly believe the AFL wouldn't want to desperately see this go away? Gil will be totally cacking his dacks now this has gone public and it looks likely to be taken out of his hands Not saying its right or wrong, but the wheels of investigation and action move faster when accusations are made public

I think the families spoke to the media for the simple reason that they feared HFC and the AFL would find a way to cover the allegations up and do very little, which is exactly what they would've done Make it public, demand an independent investigation not funded by the AFL. Hard to cover it up now Gil!

Totally agree. North lost 3 recruiter's mid year who were average anyway, and they have pick 1, possibly 8 and a few players to bring in from other clubs. With Clarko out of the picture, they are a real chance to [censored] this up Going to be a very, very eventful trade period. Jason Taylor and Tim Lamb, please weave your wonderful magic!

Would think that one piece of evidence easily verified is the new sim cards allegedly put into phones. I'm no telco tech but surely they can find records of who issued the cards, location of user (might substantiate use by player), what happened to old sim cards, phone call records and text messages, etc. A lot of data could be mined there aiding the investigation

Any of them know how to fly a plane?

FMD there are some posters here with very short and delusional memories Proof that drugs are bad 😄

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-01/hawthorn-the-afls-iron-grip-authority-is-being-challenged/101493984 Seems like Gil's ability to control everything AFL and write their own outcome is starting to crack

Billy Frampton and Fiorini as well perhaps

On the flipside, Collingwood will lose Henry to Cats

Its a salary dump. If GCS can give up a good player and pick 7 to gain cap space then we are more than generous giving a second rounder to free up approx $600k from their books in exchange for Grundy. Yes, yes, I know its not exactly apples with apples, but neither is comparing this to the May trade. Bowes isn't 2 x AA, but Grundy is yet to prove himself after some very serious injuries. Iirc the May trade wasnt reported as a salary dump, they wanted him to stay Time for the club to get a favourable deal done if Collingwood want this settled early, especially since the AFL have openly approved dumping. Otherwise it could easily drag on until the last day holding up a raft of deals they want to do. He could even end up staying at the Pies, that would [censored] them over sweetly!

Freo big winners there imo

What a [censored] comment. The guy coached us to our first flag in 57 years and we are still very much in the window Goody's done far more walking than talking

Nah, its his off-field glasses making him look smarter #grundymyths

Reckon there might be a spot opening up at Brisbane for next year. Can't see Kangas letting go of Clarko, unless its not their call. However Brisbane have less to lose if Fages steps down or is stood down. Depends upon the outcome of this Hawks investigation

Would be good if the panel was independent and not set up or funded by the AFL. The best way to get the right outcome (whatever that may be) is not to have the AFL run it or have influence over it