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What do you think is the right price AF?

Typically I only to see Melbourne games but this year, with the boredom of lockdown, I’ve watched pretty much every game in the league. As such, my perception is heavily biased towards this year.

For this deal to be worthwhile there needs to be some non-negotiables for mine Phillips (or another specialist wingman) is the preference. He fills a greater need so wouldn’t prioritise Treloar over Tom. $450-$550k salary. Term 3-4 years Must not compromise our TPP. We have to be able to re-sign Clarry et all. I’m not against trading out Brayshaw if needs be for a game changer but not to accommodate this deal. Thorough medical. Those hammy’s are a concern. His family situation doesn’t impact his football. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that last year was an aberration and his output will return to pre-covid levels. Way way too much hassle imv.

Sorry Hannibal. I was being a smart [censored]. I should have used a smiley emoji or similar But seriously his kicking is average. If we're to invest precious cap it needs to be elite imv. He may spread well but if he doesn't use it well then i don;t think it makes much difference. Even if he's average and we somehow agree reasonable contract terms (big if) we shouldn't take him on. Find someone elite who can make a real difference if we're going to go through all the hassle.

Butchering his kicks?

Fair points particularly bnf placings. Last year was so weird and unnatural, hub life and all the rest of it so perhaps you could argue its just an outlier. But it was a big drop-off! You’d want to be pretty sure it won’t repeat considering the outlay involved and all the other factors to be resolved to make this happen. I just don’t think he adds a whole more than we already have. We have greater needs. I'd rather we focus on those than get distracted by the Treloar circus.

what names are being bandied about LN

I think this is spot on and my initial reaction as well. A review that leaves all the same senior people in place (albeit in different roles) isn’t much of a review imo.

Just heard a snippet from Jon Ralph on fox sports news. He said “of the 234 players in the AFL who had over 100 kicks this year Treloar had the 3rd worst kick rating. The stat takes into account degree of difficulty. He also kicked just the one goal. Collingwood believe he just does not hurt opposition enough” This is why Collingwood want rid. For the money he commands that’s a horrible stat. We need to bring in midfielders that elevate our kicking efficiency not drag it down further. It’s a big NO from me.

I don’t think the timing of the announcement is a coincidence given the Brown news. Underwhelming. I know the pandemic is a massive factor but jeez a lot depends on Yze. He has to get that midfield firing and delivering half decent supply to BB.

I'd advise him to have a word with Adam Treloar before committing.

True but my post was more about the lack of interest. It is a good salary but not enough to put clubs off I would have thought. He’s contracted but the pies have cap issues so shouldn’t cost much trade wise. $400-500k 3 years and a third rounder could get this done. He fills an obvious need for us.

Fair point. The fact is though the pies haves completely stuffed up their TPP. They want shot of his salary and are coming out with all sorts of justifications. For that reason I’m inclined to believe Treloar.

Collingwood are a disgrace the way they are handling this. Treloar did them a favor back-ending his contract and this is the way they treat him. I wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them. Wouldn’t all these selfishness issues have been known in 2019 when he extended his deal? Didn’t seem to be an issue then. Senior players saying they don’t want him. Talk about lunatics running the asylum! The pies are disintegrating and its a beautiful thing to behold.

I reckon with a good pre season as well you could be right ?

I’m delighted. If we do land that elusive flag we will look back on this moment as pivotal. It sounds like Burgess was key to the deal so I would love to get confirmation that he is staying. Next on my wish list - Tom Phillips

Noted. I'll add the proviso, subject to the passing his medical. In Burgess I trust.

He's gone to the wrong club again. Who is advising him, seriously. Sydney has a great culture and track record of rehabilitating players. Richmond would have been another good option. If he gets his act together and focuses then he'll be a great addition for them. I really hope it works out for him.

He's only played 80 games because he's back-up which is what we want him for. We don't have any credible internal options. I don't want to see Brown anywhere near a ruck contest given his knee issues and its too much to expect a second year Jackson to hold the fort. He'd get monstered. unless there's a better option running around in the state leagues then McKernan works best imv

Bad case of the yips. Hopefully Yze can sort this out. Great hands. Courageous too. Needs to bring more defensive effort.

He got stitched up for that sling tackle. 2 games was about right 4 was very harsh. Had his moments besides but just doesn't get his hands on it enough. Consistency isn't there. I'm ambivalent about whether we keep him or let him go.

Not sure if posted elsewhere already but the below is an update from Sam Edmunds on SEN on tom phillips “Tommy Phillips, same deal. A year to run on a contract, back-ended, more than 550. In fact, they’ve already told him that he could be traded and he’s open to that. I don’t believe there’s been a heck of a lot of interest. The lack of interest surprises me. $550k is hardly outrageous money. Perhaps there’s more to his poor season than just the emergence of Daicos?

Firstly. Welcome. Secondly. Very different players position wise. I don't recall ever seeing Matera play the wing (not a player i followed closely so could be wrong about that).

IF we were sat here next year and TMac had delivered a season on a par with 2018 I would be delighted and happily hold my hand up to admit I was wrong. Unfortunately that would be wishful thinking. He doesn’t have a role in our forward set-up. Our defence was good this year so no spot there either. He has no place on our list therefore it doesn’t help TMac’s career hanging around. He will just stagnate further. Best for him to make a fresh start, in a new environment and hopefully he can show better form. I’d be very happy for him if he did.

Fair point re Melksham. He was a major disappointment. If the club brought in a replacement I wouldn’t be unhappy. I’m don’t think Lever’s form was that bad. Our defence was solid last year and I think he had his part to play in that. Pay-cuts in contract never happen of course but I often think professional pride should play a part. I know I wouldn’t feel comfortable collecting my wage if I felt I hadn’t made a commensurate contribution (easy for me to say of course I’m not earning the big bucks).