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The thought of us playing in a GF without Kossie ( and his uncompromising football defensive skills and his cat like pouncing on the ball and goaling plus his beautiful joy and love of the game in his smile ) has me in a wet eye state. Just not negotiable in any situation I can think of.

Pates you are correct k no CYB Your completely inaccurate " Stab" of crowd no's allegiance is a joke. In last quarter when your team is 50 points behind usually a mass exodus occurs. No such exodus happened from any area. Not Sure where most Lionswere sitting maybe lower Ponsford def not in MCC Northern Southern 1,2 and 3 levels. Noise was far greater from Dees snd that clapping from MCC and Res Seat MFC Holders in M lower area as players hit the interchange was season best. Reckon 4/5,000 might have been BCNA at most 3/5 Lions so a good 28,000 we're Dees IMO. Similar to Freo crowd . Better as a Thursday night. Where do you sit CYB? Or are you in a drone looking at the stars ? Please don't invent crowd issues again. Good that you will have to wait till the Pies and Blues games to guess your fantasy game. Care to be a clairvoyant on likely NUmbers 7/8 weeks in advance?

Agreed give him some tasks and licence to harm ANY WHERE on the ground.

Enough to sign a big contract on !!

Good point LH Thought Trac did so much in the packs as inside when you look at his game, kicking is still a bit off but he's 80% near his top and back in business. Thsts why he is a real chance to be there when the whips are cracking in Sept. Wanted Rivers back before game still do but no one deserves to be dropped not Bowey either.

Sorry it's only 20 games I think missed due to injury earlier this year.

Has Viney ever played 21 games ( since our run started in Round 20 last year) as well ? He is nearly right up with the Big 3 (Gawny Trac and Clarry) that's his value to our team. Also has a lot to do with fitness and a great pre season.

That's a blight on the game previously really having only 20 players. Surely 23 gives greater options to win and produce better footy considering the greater pace the game is played at now and possibly more injuries. Old Dees views are as he admits he prefers VFL game atmosphere to AFL atmosphere.!! He has apparently never been comfortable with the footy of the 21st century and all his negativity is as a result of this view. Any improvement or increase in the game is not a positive. If course a person is allowed their opinion but on every comment or post on this site it becomes so repetitive and negative. His most crazy example is he wants MFC to never have membership over 50,000. It's too many people and too crowded ! So he doesn't go. Talk about a Club killer! Let's not become a reason for lack of development for MFC. We need all the fans we can get while we are up and running.

So May vs Daniher Oliver vs Neale Smith vs Langdon Fritsch vs Starcevich Hibbo vs Cameron No one on Ones really ? Amazing how good things were in the Old Days !! Old Dee. Strange I Don't remember us winning a Flag in the 80's or 90's. Msybe it's our memories that have become distorted after 30years. Half the people going now were not alive then to remember anything so it's half irrelevant the 90's and 80's.

Yeah let's cater for the non-fans great idea Roy. Please don't bother take real fans instead. Sounds like you would invite all your enemies to your Birthday Party !! we cringe when the AFL make strange decisions but you seem up to want to take it to another level. ( Below )

Yes I was going to say many D/Ler's will say forget him he's too small !!

Like the INS but not sure of the OUTS M. Brown (omitted) and Disco ( conc) Chandler ( will never make it and is one sided player has no right foot) At the moment Skill errors can be improved but lack of ball can't do Harmsey should survive. Sparrow needs a med sub and Dunstan was too good to ignore at Casey on Sunday,

I agree He ( Walker) is in the Tmac mould/style that competes and brings the ball to ground or marks it. We need the ball retained in the forward zone for the smalls to feed off. That's why Weid is not a success as he is pushed about and doesn't assist other forwards, and goes missing more often than not. Send him to the backline at Casey next week and before the end of the year he may be good enough in defence and Petty can do some cameos up forward.

NO ONE has learnt from the Joel Smith saga at Casey 2/3 years ago and we had the great DB in charge then. Not sure the successor from Brisbane or Goody are heeding any lessons nor was Trac with the flu/ gastric and now looks slow and banged up. Time for Bedford Rivers and Majak to speed up and toughen our team vs Lions.

TODAY being the operative word. Next time it might be different!!

You are wrong BBP snd are just too stubborn to sdmit LJ's role in the 3rd quarter. That was the game winning period and crucial time. Last quarter just about margin. Like fans 2/3 years ago " we won't miss Clarry or Trac if we clear them for draft picks" !!!!!! Some delusional D/Lers wanted this !! The brain power of denial is sad and ridiculous to even contemplate this logic. Dogga is a generational player who contributes team wise and individually superbly for his team and would be missed greatly if he leaves.

Your post is way off mark and also a previous response by KD GIRL as well. Increasing crowds that you say is laughable when you use 2019 as the guide!! We won 5 games then. And what proof have you that it takes 6 months for crowds to increase after a premiership? In other words from 2021 we have to wait 6 mths is April 2022 !!! No all the reasons for weak excuses by Dees fans in this forum are just a reason why we may never reach our potential to challenge the BIG Clubs snd if/when we are not in the top or successful won't one day have a Club to barrack for. To think it was only 2013/4 that we won 2 games and our complacent self satisfied fans are critical now we are good is almost disrespectable to the heroes that have lifted us up where we are today. Most of the reasons are just lazy, negative snd selfish. Standard of games umpiring ticketing ( most don't even know the system properly) despite the Club info spoiling them. The Club has 62,000 members and many are so precious it's just heartbreaking reading adults reacting like petulant 5 yo's when they try and justify reasons not to come. Keep your money the Club needs bums on seats It's a winter game always has been the transport system is there use it to your advantage. In reply to KATRINA DEE GIRL you couldn't even put your reply points with correct no's using letters deliberately to confuse with your mostly confusing mis information. And when fans sign off with a self satisfied cv of their support it's just another defence mechanism to feel justified to criticise in this forum. Just for your info KFG I am a 57 year consecutive member went for 27 consecutive years 1965 to 1992 to all VFL games each season before moving interstate. I did not comeback to Victoria even for some Christmases till the 2000's and since 2012 have averaged 5 home games snd the Brisbane fixtures each season, giving to raffles and the win each game find for the Club. Hsve been to the 2018 Finals in Melb (in the middle of cancer treatment ) from interstate and was in a great lifetime experience at the 2021 premiership win in Perth after 14 days " quarantining" in SA. Have been in2022 so far to the Rounds vs Dogs Bombers Tigers Swans and on Monday to Pies plus vs Suns in Round 2 at Metricon. Also to our party in Dec to celebrate our magnificent Flag! So Please don't assume because you quoted "selected figures " and are so insecure to query my loyalty and passion that that makes your post accurate and very authoritative as a result. So KDG get down from your high horse ( if it's not too far for you to jump down ) and don't make wild guesses snd accusations about my love for the Dees. I am not answering some of your points one by one as you obviously can't understand most of them. Reread them maybe snd open your judgement to their meaning.

Tigers did not win a flag last year that's the point about criticism of the Dees crowds. Very little footy in 2021 including Finals and Flag and we won the Flag and our crowds are down or poor. Don't worry about other Clubs just worry about Dees.!!

Your friends must be slow walkers or are stopping for a drink on the way !!

You conveniently forget we have (1)JUST WON a 57 year drought braking premiership (2) had a 10-0 winning opening run including near record 17 winning streak!! (3) we have about 10,000 more members and no real increase to show. (4) Some of the excuses are seriously pathetic about non attendance . (5) Hawthorn is no measuring Stick and it rained last Sunday! (6) we are about same as Essendon who have most games at Marvel a lower drawing ground usually and who are having nearly worst year yet! (7) I always are amused when this post is critical of our crowds you get individual posters immediately trying to defend themselves in various comical and often labouring ways. They are feeling so guilty IMO and have forgotten about how they didn't have a choice for nearly 2 years to go!!! So how much does it mean to them really ?? (8)Is life meant to be a self imposed lockdown because it's not the weekend? (9) The players as Trac said need supporters to create atmosphere and as a reward for excellence in performance deserve our support. (10) Get over it Sat 2pm start was back in the VFL and is not our lifestyle necessarily any more. I am over the piffling excuses just GO to the games and enjoy ! Our home crowds should not be below 30,000 and for Other Vic Club matchups games not below 40,000, snd blockbusters 50,000 To 70,000. Don't worry about other Clubs they didn't win the flag last year ! We are 10,000 missing fans from each home game at least. in 2018 we played Swans and drew 52,000 to a 3.20 game on a Sunday. Looking forward to excuses and reactions !!

Usual negative comment OD, some things never change. Could be No 1 vs No 2 on ladder!!!

Get off Tmac's back DD He has been our best tall forward this year and in good firm prior to injury. Just hope he comes back well after injury that's all .

Different players have found defending far more easy than playing in attack. Something about playing the ball in front of you all the time and not having to turn around often. Well worth a try.

Well it's wrong according to the vibes on web this morning and social media oh and importantly the Coach.

Absolutely OB I have said this before and get him moving around the ground not leave home one on one or in a pack.