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Turner can replace Petty

Agree Petty Tmac and JVR should be out forward talls with Weid replacing Jacko if he goes Another ruck a recruit.

What about the players ?? Who needs to stand up after disappointing 2022.? Will list names in later post

Was 80/85 % only Lions sound 3rd q late and all last quarter Dees 80% so 45/50,000 not bad roll up

Fritta would believe he still has to be selected despite 53 goals. Or he has been told to play doubtful!!

It's not the list not being turned over BUT the players on the list performing not being given a real chance of succeeding in our AFL team due to a slow slack and negative selection approach.

I believe 60,000 at both of us but I accept your knowledge of the MCG crowds.

It's disappointing !!! Only our fault that our Coach seems to have all season ruled out any risks or taking chances! So we are on this position of very few options with JVR Chandler and one or two others even The Match hardened Dunstan not seriously a medi sub for say Trac. Disco was tried and got injured so no real NEW player has come on in 2022 except JJ who was sub in 2021 and is now injured and unlikely to be chosen.

Surely there were 65,000/70,000 in 2018 against Cats and Hawks? We got over 90,00 to both games. I agree with your estimate for about 55,000 of us last week. Reclon if we make Prelim it will be a sellout with us outnumbering Cats by 5,/10,000 at least.

One holding year for Jacko doesn't harm his future potential.

McStay is not a key forward but a third forward in the Fritsch role really now with some ruck role playing. Having watched him for all his career at Lions he us a better mark than Fritta but not any where nears the footy skills or smarts that Bailey brings to our table. Salaries should be $400/500 to McStay and $600/650 to Bailey. His 50/ 60 H and A goals plus Finals are priceless for us.

Werridee you have fallen for the Goody plan! We need to evolve with new youth each year and another pre season should enable this to happen. Rivers in the AFL and med sub role for Hibbo. Bowey over Hunt still improves our team. Turner to the defence and Petty forward to CHF JVR to FF in place of BBB At least one of Howes/ Chandler/ Laurie to I/C in place of either ANB / Spargo. Joel Smith in 23 maybe tried as a forward / onballer to replace Sparrow. Not all replacements might be for Round1 but these possible or similar changes are necessary for us to improve especially our skills and forward line for us to be in Top4 reckoning. Yes it's left field a bit but Goody has to do 2 years in one upgrading of our 2021 Flag side as 2022 was a dormant year.

Especially well done MFC and the base is the major happening we all believe should be absolutely next. It's nearly there if you believe the Club honchos and I don't think we can underestimate the role Casey Fields played as our training base in our 2021 flag success, and its continuing role. Also with Casey I am with a couple of D/Landers snd believe a youth driven membership drive that would need parents involvement in that area commenced by free/or carefully marketed entry plus a Casey Bus to the G with a family style charge ($20only or free) would bear membership fruit from our very rich population orchard on our doorstep. Naturally free access to Casey games for locals would be provided. Altrrnatively reduced memberships along with your Council Rates would be worth a look as well. Conversely an inner City Bus virtually free to Casey for the AWFL games and also VFL Finsls games is a no brainer. Glorious has said we should be winning multiple memberships with our list well that's not stated as such in the Plan but at least ONE flag in each category is and it can be updated at any time. The membership target is a work in Progress but has started promisingly Over to you for Stage2 MFC.

Sadly Bobby you have got home after Friday night after Dogga's worst possible game on the big stage and then seen Young play a valuable role in the Dockers win an amazing Finals game which has set them up as a future power team from the West. Then you have launched into print and changed 3 years of football performances as a result. To date LJ has been under any criteria a much better and more valuable player in his first 3 years with us than Hayden has been for Freo. Yes injury has been a handicap for Young but Jacko has been a quicK learner and vary valuable on baller in his first 3 years. He has changed when rucking say 5 games including our Flag win and been a competent team man in most of his first 50 games. For a 21 year old now he has a great future. There is no doubt Young has the goods and Freo have consolidated his future with a 5 year deal. But up till now LJ has played and contributed grandly to a history making premiership already on the biggest stage of all. To suddenly criticise JT snd our team from changing from Young as our first draft pick in 2019 to Luke on one disappointing Final is an overreaction. I reckon in hindsight Luke was probably not quite 100% with his calf. He is and will be a champion player for who ever he plays for. We or JT had no idea he may be prone to playing at home either. And whoever we get in exchange or in draft picks may be better than Young and/ or Jackson to our team. Maybe you should dodo wait till Young plays in the first Dockers Flag before you race off and print a slightly salty summary of the 2019 draft 3 years on. One flag up already has Jacko well on the way to being a Demon legend do he has the score on the board at this early stage. Plenty of years to play out yet snd Jesse did not fit in at Freo let's see if LJ does!

You are not trying seriously or aren't a member or Don't try Gen admin tickets in the afternoon. Qual Final wasnt sSellout do how come you missed out?

Losing to SAME TEAMS SAME GAME PLAN SAME TACTICS SAME PLAYERS AND SAME COACH And SAME ASSISTANT COACHES No change or new ideas from Coaches and MatCh Cttee or changes in personnel in the team despite poor or underwhelming last half of seasons by ANB Spargo Harmes Bowey BBB Jacko and Weed. And we have a 17- 1 RESERVES team and won't try good performers. We are too timid in all our decisions Selection Game Plan. Freo tried AMiss in the ELim Final and won we haven't given JVR a go and others have been ignored even Dunstan and we will lose Bedford Laurie and Chandler if opportunities are not provided go them. Goody has decided we can repeat last year with the same players and has been too loyal with the results stating all and sundry in the face. it's no too late for youth ( limited amount at this time ) but let's take a chance !!! please Goody and MC and FD.

Speed is just not running its taking the game on and moving the ball positively swapping angles and length. Rivers and Salem and Bowey can all do that. As can other defenders if we make a concerted effort with a positive game plan. And don't kick to the forward pocket all the time it's defensive and hard to score from there.

Players are aware of poor games and my instinct tells me he will be back st his best next week. Dropping or threatening is not the way for vital players to be treated. Gawny was not impacting greatly either but one game doesn't mean the same result next week. A tweaking of game plans can do wonders with the ability Goody has to work with.

Agree D36 We have not unearthed ONE player out of the 17 wins of a soon to be champion team who exist to provide young players and back ups for the AFL champs. On the train home I had a full on discussion with a very learned Dees lady fan of 60 plus years and she indicated that neither Laurie ( too slow and no standout skills) Chandler ( no special standout skills) and Bedford pacy ( but his ball handling not reliable) ARE NEVER going to make it and should not be retained in 2023 to pursue their career. While I can see some long term truth in that opinion the fact is that other than Toby being med sub no one has been given a real opportunity in over 20 games to kickstart their career on the Demons forward line. Goody and the MC have been over the top loyal to our 2021 heroes especially ANB and Spargo ( and some will say Kossie but I refute that categorically) with Harmes Rivers BBB and Sparrow all below their stellar role output of 2021. Their was an open chance in Rounds 9 and 10 vs North and WCoast to awaken some of our team with demotion but it was missed hence many of the above have spluttered and choked the rest of the season and we still have no evidence that any of the Casey clan are any good for NEXT WEEK OR 2023 to solve urgent form issues. Dunstan despite a starring almost faultless output and two goal return is also under valued as a back up due to his alleged bloopers with his disposal with no real other demerit for promotion. So 2022 will pass and no stars of the future will be discovered except for the JVR protected species syndrome with every reason not to play AFL probably wisely given and Disco dreadfully unlucky debuting and injuring himself when debuting on QB. Have we been too loyal to our magnificent 2021 heroes? Yes IMO but I get the feeling that their average form and role playing potential is regarded as more reliable and better than a Casey BOG or promising consistent form in a cakewalk canter over a poor team in VFL. Hence the likelihood of any/many/ even ONE forced change ( Tmac not quite ready yet) for next week barring injury or suspension stares us right in our face and dead set in the middle of our footy brain.

This post was about Tmac not Mitch Brown !!! Tommy or no Tommy ?

That's your opinion. Not everyone else's some more positive others are very positive. Still has next weeks PF for match play with Casey Dees or Our Semi if considered ok if we don't win.

Your logic is just ok but in reality is heartbreaking and annoying for all concerned. It also is more cruel when In our position players at least have the VFL To continue playing for a Flag. While Melky and Hunty are playing their hearts out there are always others that are unlucky with or without injuries which we don't need as casual as your matter of fact type scenario. No player deserves injuries for any reason to miss out on once in lifetime events.

My take is people who have bought tickets will Make every effort to attend.( Unless dippers in MCC area ) Covid has sorted out goers and no goers by NOW and some may feel the urge being a Final to give it a go as things are easing in all areas esp. cities. Personal issues will not be affected any more than normal and Late change of mind is only MCC as others all have tickets, Rain is the only other downer and I believe is not an issue. Betw 75 /82 ??

Me OK Mr KIA tell me what % of neutral supporters attend Finals now compared to 20,30 and 50 years ago? Assuming you are of an older generation who has some history on this matter.