Swooper1987

Hard to blame Misson for Jetta's injury and May's lack of condition. Misson is the same bloke that in 2005 saw the Swans unchanged for about 10 weeks on their way to a flag they probably shouldn't have won. His record in sports science and rehab and preparation speaks for itself. He has the absolute confidence of Roos. May, as a highly paid, professional athlete has a responsibility to present in decent condition. His lack of discipline clearly extends beyond his on field brain farts. Jetta is just bad luck. It's a collision sport and [censored] happens. Lever the same. If his knee recovers he will prove to be worth every bit the two first round picks we paid for him.

Too defeatist I think. In 1987 after 16 games we were 6 wins and 10 losses. We ended up winning the last 6 in a row and finishing the H&A in 5th spot and should have won the preliminary final. We are capable of putting a block of form together which could still see us reach finals. Writing off the season is a cop out and gives the club more excuses for inept performances. I have paid this club a fortune over the years in membership fees and I want to see a decent return on that investment. Effort and a willingness to do the basics well would be a great start.

Frost was our best tonight

There aren't many good ones around now. Hudson and Whately, Tim Lane and then guys like Speed, who I think is very underrated. Going back a long way now, but I used to love listening to the ABC 30 odd years ago to Peter Booth, Smokey Dawson and Doug Bigelow. Crosses to Clelo (Ian Cleland) and Swan McKay - that was a great commentary team back when radio was worth listening too - before the MMM boys club!

Jones had a good game but he was far from the most influential player on the ground. Gawn was outstanding all night and was the single biggest difference between the teams. We are incredibly fortunate to have a player like him. I am 50 this year and I don't recall a more dominant ruckman since Simon Madden - and that includes Dean Cox who I rate incredibly highly. His ability to collect ground ball is remarkable for a man of his size. He really is one of a kind. Based on influence on the result: 6. Gawn 5. Petracca 4. Oliver 3. Jones 2. Salem 1. Fritsch I really like Hunt forward as well. His tackling and chasing created plenty of scoring opportunities.

Jones is actually playing significantly worse than Junior McDonald was when he was forced into premature (and as it turned out, temporary) retirement. For the first time in his career on Friday night I noticed him deviate from a contest and self preservation was obvious. The Jones of previous seasons always ran a straight line and took the punishment when it was coming his way. I have always thought of him as a good honest player - no star, perhaps a B grader in an F Grade team for much of his career. He has zero accountability and is a kick chaser. He is not and never has been an elite level midfielder and Tyson was of more value to us last year than Jones. At present though, he is still in our best 22. That may change as players return from injury, but for now he stays and as a midfielder - which in the modern game means anywhere from half back to half forward.

I'm pleased to hear it. As much as I would have loved him to be playing for the Demons, I am happy that loyalty isn't dead.

If true I'm stoked. He'll be well compensated but it strikes a blow for old fashioned club loyalty. Simpson and everyone at WCE stuck by him. Despite his old man's illness, he's four hours away, not in another country. A few blokes could learn a lesson if that's how it plays out.

You'll need to call the club. Tracy is great but there isn't much available in the premium memberships.

Upgraded from Redlegs to Trident a couple of weeks back. Couldn't get 2 seats together in the Olympic stand so we are in the Great Southern Stand section. Loved the Redlegs area (N1-4) behind the Punt Rd goals, hoping the move to the HFF will be worth it! Very limited opportunity for the premium packages by the sound of it so register your interest asap.

Given who the Dockers are trying to bring in, a more likely trade is a very early pick (likely 5) plus a player. They'll need to keep some picks but Hogan is clearly the most valuable KPP in trade conversations so he is definitely worth more than 1 first round pick. It may be Andrew Brayshaw or it may be somebody else but I think this is probably the most likely outcome.

I'd be reluctant to let him go. No team ever gets through injury free. Which young midfielder that we haven't yet seen at senior level is going to be better than Tyson if Viney gets hurt again or if Brayshaw gets concussed, or Oliver's shoulders don't come up? I think the GF proved that depth is crucial. Both sides were a long way from their best 22 yet still played an extraordinary game of footy. Tyson played some pretty reasonable footy towards the end of the H&A season and was nearly best on against the Giants for the first half before he broke his arm. He can play. People knock his disposal and it's true he isn't a fantastic kick, but he can find the footy and he is a big, experienced body. As long as his arse points south he'll never be a winger but he is an important part of our depth. Hold him to his contract.

FWIW Tony Sheahan reported on his twitter feed that the Demons are back in the race for Gaff. Usually a fairly speculative fellow, but he's put it out there.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if May and KK are packaged up for a top 10 pick assuming the Hogan trade goes ahead. May alone is not worth a top 10.

Two first round pick, one of which goes to GC for May and I'd imagine KK. No way May would be worth a top 10 pick by himself. Darcy wouldn't go with it if he had any doubt and Jones certainly wasn't refuting it.

May is an average AFL defender. Not worth a top 10 pick. Hard to see where he fits into our side.

If we are serious about winning a flag the best place for Jordy next year is the coaches box. Slow, fumbly and lacks conviction in the contest. He has battle fatigue and in all honesty has had it for most of the last two years. Clarkson moved him on at the right time. He has an acute footy brain and is a great communicator but if he is still more value in our side than Fritsch, Hunt or Lever next year, we aren't making finals, let alone competing for premierships.

Not one for rash statements after a bad loss but I think the evidence in our poorer performances stacks up against the same personnel. Usually Lewis and Jones, but also some of the other usual suspects including Neal-Bullen (who tries his guts out but lacks polish) and Tyson (who just isn't sharp enough with pace or skills). The decision to play Smith forward for large parts of the game proved that Fritsch should have played as well. We will need to fit a few different players in next season so the clock is ticking for a few of this year's regulars.

Laughable! Lewis will be gone in 12 months, Jones not long past that. Tyson has an important role to play in this side over the next few years.

Was trying to think who it was that Bernie reminded me of and then last night I turn on the MVP awards and there is Terry Daniher sitting with Gerard, Robbo and Derm. TD was universally admired, a great bloke, loved by his team mates and could tell a great story. He also was a total pro on the field and as Dermott said, the most competitive bloke he ever played against. Sounds a lot like Bernie and he couldn't be in better company.

Hogan is a gun and the other 17 clubs would be lining up for him. Unfortunately our style of play is not suited to anyone playing deep forward. He is far from the problem - his dodgy kicking today not withstanding.