dazzledavey36

We're not deplorable, but there is absolutely no way Oliver is the difference between us being 10th spot to then 2nd if he was fully fit, that's actually pretty laughable. People making him out like he's Chris Judd or Gary Ablett that he's got that much of a superstar factor, he doesn't. A lot of things have went wrong this year. Even if Oliver was fully fit he'd still get the hard tag each week and unlike previous years he hasn't had the likes of Brayshaw, Harmes to protect him like they use. There are far more bigger issues then Oliver's form is the reason why we are sitting 10th and not top 4. I've posted my opinions previously. Have a dig around and you'll find it.

Hawks play such an exciting brand that is great to watch. Sam Mitchell has them primed for the next couple of years.

Lol Gruzewksi is 192cm Jefferson is 194cm tall. There is literally barely any difference between them in height. Gruzewksi is more a bigger and physical player which has translated onto VFL and AFL level. You also say Gruzewski had question marks? Jefferson had just as bugger question marks as Gruzewski due to his slight frame and lack of intensity. Those question marks still stand.

4 games to go with nothing to lose. If he can go into the back end of the year playing good footy then that'll give him the confidence to attack pre season and hopefully consolidate his spot in the best 22 next year.

Bailey Laurie has to stay in the side for the rest of the year. He played midfield and I thought he was actually decent. His clean hands in the wet stood out and there's something there to work with from a midfield perspective. 19 disposals, 3 tackles 10 contested possessions, only the 2 turnovers for the game and 24 pressure acts.

Thanks Pickett. I'd get him in next week. We have nothing to lose now and giving him a taste of senior footy will hold him in good stead going into pre season of what the expectations are.

I'm not. A good list management over the off season can really change all of that. We've seen it happen recently to Collingwood and Richmond did it back in the end of 2016. We have solid core group of young players in JVR, McVee, Tholstrup, Windsor, AMW, Turner, K Brown, Jefferson and Woewodin as a good starting point. Get another pre season into these guys and watch as they step up again next year. If we can add an elite top 10 midfield talent through the draft and then maybe a solid free agent or two then I think we'll be fine. I expect us to play finals next year if we can really nail our list management decisions we'll over thr off season.

Please don't refer to Binman when it comes to talking midfield. The guy is clueless lol. Had a crack at anyone around mid year when some on here started to question our depth and midfield struggles in this department. Was happy to dish it out and then as the weeks have gone by our midfield depth has been greatly exposed.

Embarrassing

So you think 40k fans would have meant we didn't go 8-0 in centre bounce clearences in the last quarter?? Or maybe 40k fans would have meant Tom McDonald doesn't get outmarked twice by Hogan in thr last quarter which results in goals? Right.

Hope you're well mate, always here for a chat whenever mate, you know where my inbox is.

Centre bounce clearence in the last quarter. 8-0

Didn't watch the VFL bur I'd be happy to play Jefferson for the rest of the year. Finals is gone, let's continue to get games into Tholstrup, Laurie, AMW and Jefferson.

Back on the coaching with this one. Hogan is the premier full forward in the game and we have the premier fullback playing on Jake Riccardi until they made the move late in the last quarter. Horrid coaching

Back on the coaching with this one. Hogan is the premier full forward in the game and we have the premier fullback playing on Jake Riccardi until they made the move late in the last quarter. Horrid coaching

Such a cop out excuse. Footy is a 4 quarter game.

Mids got absolutely smashed all night. You'd think by the last quarter we would have at least try to really go defensive on their mids to stop their stoppage dominance, but no we didn't. Oliver giving Green space in that last centre contests sums it all up.

Don't vent your frustration please. You'll hurt their feelings.

Oliver had to be tight there.. too loose on Green

Do we simply not want to man up? Lazy campaigners

Mids getting absolutely smoked..

She's all over, you can now kiss finals goodbye.

Could be worse, we could have what the opening ceremony in Paris just dished up.

Strange comment