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I dont know why you would tag Natanui the limited possessions he gets are usually second efforts at the stoppage. The only difference for mine between us and West Coast is how well drilled they are and stopping Priddis and Kerr. Dont give them easy ball through the midfield and we should put up a decent effort.

Carlton are obviously a better side but Brisbane went with them in the first half. A 5 day turn around certainly didn't help them in the second half.

And I thought we were short classy midfielders but we obviously need more key backs.Especially ones that are so far unproven.

Good changes, I wonder whether Moloney played sore last week saw the axe swinging and then mentioned groin soreness. Tynan stiff but the right move he had a dip but looked a little overawed. Couch stiff but the big ground would not suit him. Really wonder what T-Mac has to do to get a game. Congratulations and best of luck to Sellar on his first game for the MFC.

Moloney winning a B & F says more about our performance last year than about him. An inside mid who plays 80% game time all in the middle and lays 2 tackles for the game. Magner is not untouchable but Moloney was pathetic yesterday.

Agree we need to inject some class to our mids. Disagree it is as disastrous as you mention. You will not trade for the class you are looking for. If you disagree I would keen to know who you think we can land. At best it will provide a solid A Grader which we will pay overs for. We need to re-invent the players we have and then look to the draft to inject quality mids with Viney. I would be moving Howe further up the ground, Watts to continue to play through the midfield and Grimes to move into the midfield. We have plentiful half forwards and our backs are our strength so we need to balance this a bit more. Magner, Jones and Trengove should be persevered with. Moloney needs to be pushed out as he offers nothing defensively and provides alot of clearances but not many that give us a clean advantage. McKenzie is a trier who is meant to tag but lets his man get 30 touches.

T-Mac for Green. Petterd for Blease. Morton for Joel Mc. Sellar for Rivers. Couch for Moloney (statement should be made).

And everyone let him get through to the pick he got to. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Disagree on picking him before Gysberts but agree with Tapscott on the basis they both played as half forwards during the champs so you can argue like for like and they are so close in the pick they were chosen..

Effort did happen thats why we laid over 20 tackles in the first quarter but we do not know how to apply it for long periods or consistently. Consistent intensity is not something that suddenly happens. Players consistently pushing when they have nothing left to give is not something that just suddenly happens. You either do it innately (which most of our list dont) or you have to learn it. Laziness takes time to get out people particularly when some have it inbuilt into them for 5+ years (Green, Davey, Moloney). People are acting as if these traits have never existed or miraculously expected that these will disappear over a preseason with a new coach. It is not the disgust that I am critical of it is peoples expectations that a team suddenly changes.

I could see our effort in the second half was not up to standard just like I could see it for most of last year. You dont change culture and players overnight. There was nothing wrong with Trengove's effort or the team high 8 tackles he laid. I have no doubt that Neeld will weed out quickly those that dont fit this new mantra but its not something that suddenly happens.

Where did I say it was ok. Todays effort was pathetic. There has been some excellent measured criticism by 5% in this thread but 95% are just throwing bombs with no attempt at understanding or based on ridiculous expectations. We are a team that lost less than half a season ago by the greatest losing margin of all time. We have a long way to go. People need to get some perspective.

Why would they show anymore skill than they did last year. It is the same mature players with the same skill errors and the same laziness.

Todays was a pathetic performance but the reaction of some on here is almost as embarrassing. It was the first proper game with a completely different gameplan. Players who have not worked hard without the ball for 5 years are suddenly expected that it will come naturally to them. The figurehead of our great club dies one week before the first game and no one thinks that it would be a distraction. These are kids who live by routine and that is dropped on them. I hope the coaching staff have more faith in their plans than some of the knee jerk reactions on here.

Only when you put in your official team sheets 1 hour before the game.

I love the excitement shown by Tynan in his press conf on the MFC website. I love that Magner in his describes his natural game as "aggressive". I love seeing players debut. Cant wait for tomorrow.

How long does it take people to realise that the position a player is named in the selected team has no relevance to where they are actually lining up.

Agree that lack of pack can be countered by good ball movement but it has great importance when you dont have the ball. I thought last night's game was a great example of that.

What indicator did we have when drafted that Taggert had a back fracture? You draft a player particularly in the first half of the draft for the next 10 years not their first season.

Strauss just cant take a trick. No Williams on the list will hopefully start to see him lining for Casey 2s from this week.

I will just be happy if he turns into a star. We have lacked one for so long I dont care what position that means.

I think thats pretty close.

How about you judge the guy on what he is rather than what you hoped he would be. Ignore the fact he is not a power forward and that he was a number one pick. 26 possies, a couple of goals and a handful of assists is a dominant display in any ones book whether you see it or not. Be disappointed that he is not what you hoped for but judge his performance for what it is.

I think the word "sold" is being used very loosely.

What an inspirational man and family. Rest In Peace big Jim. Gone but never forgotten.

Thanks for seeing the main point. If Hawthorn hadn't landed Buddy and Rioli everyone would be talking about their 2005 misses Ellis at 3 ahead of Pendlebury at 5, Dowler 6 ahead of Ryder at 8 and Thorp the year after ahead of Selwood. Landing a star or two certainly makes the whole picture look brighter.