Nice to see Moloney running around again. He is a good, hard player with decent skills but lacks pace, bit of a Stenglein in fact. Put him in a good mid-field and he would be an important cog, again like Stenglein. But he's not good enough to be a main man.

Anyway, he must wonder wtf in his quieter moments. Drafted from Geelong because they had salary cap problems; 2/3 years later and all his ex-teammates have a premiership.

hopefully he gets an injury free year because he can and will be one of our top three in B&F. The guy bleeds for the club also as he barracked for the dees his whole life, he loves playing for us and wants to win as much as his personal goals which is always great.

The Cats had a pretty good midfield last season - even if he wasn't injured, would he have got a gig? I don't really know enough about Geelong's list, but they had a few good players running through the middle...

Mark Thompson said that he'd probably live to regret trading Moloney so that says a bit considering he had the likes of Ablett, Kelly and Bartel at that stage

They traded him to get Ottens and its pretty safe to say it worked out well for them, especially since Beamer has just missed 2 years of footy

With his heritage and the fact he was one of the few actually having a go on sunday he would be hurting more than anyone

The Cats had a pretty good midfield last season - even if he wasn't injured, would he have got a gig? I don't really know enough about Geelong's list, but they had a few good players running through the middle...

add prismil to the list its not too bad

They traded him to get Ottens and its pretty safe to say it worked out well for them, especially since Beamer has just missed 2 years of footy

With his heritage and the fact he was one of the few actually having a go on sunday he would be hurting more than anyone

Exactly, Thomson and the whole of Geelong would be delighted with the trade

It was a risk that paid off for the Cats even if they don't win another game for the rest of ottens career. well done to them

With his heritage and the fact he was one of the few actually having a go on sunday he would be hurting more than anyone

Exactly.

When he delivered a poor pass into our forward 50, he was angry with himself and you could see he was hurting. Meanwhile every other player just trotted along to the next position without caring after they made their mistake.

i love the passion and toughness that he plays with, if only we had more with the attitude of the likes of moloney and jones

geelong would have been spewing after '06, but it all came good in a big way, beamer has a lot to offer our club and for many years yet hopefully

i love the passion and toughness that he plays with, if only we had more with the attitude of the likes of moloney and jones

geelong would have been spewing after '06, but it all came good in a big way, beamer has a lot to offer our club and for many years yet hopefully

Well done to the Cats for biting the bullet...to make a real trade you have to have the guts to trade a real player in order to get what you want.

Moloney is a real player...the Cat's were vexed about letting him go and he will be good for Melbourne.

In return they got what they needed. And now the flag.

In the same light I applaud the MFC for trading Travis...we needed fresh talent and we have got Grimes to build on [when the shin splints die down - I've suffered this condition and believe me its a right pain in the Jacksi] as part of a fresh hungry group of players that DB can build a new, better culture with.

What sacred cows would Demonlanders be prepared to sacrifice and what would you be looking for in return?

Frankly, Moloney would be happy to play footy again after the horror stretch he's had.

At the time of the trade it was a hard decision for Geelong. Circumstances and the winning of the premiership has warranted the decision a good one.

However, it could have easily gone pear shaped if there side had not come together and Moloney and others were not blighted with injury at MFC.

Given the situation, Moloney could still offer MFC a fair bit if he is fit.

I don't think anyone is doubting that Moloney can do that . . .

But you'd have to say so far Geelong are way ahead in that deal

I don't think anyone is doubting that Moloney can do that . . .

But you'd have to say so far Geelong are way ahead in that deal

waaaaaaaaaay ahead, as are Adelaide who have our own Scott Thompson out of the same deal, just claimed 3rd in their B+F

Thanks again Scotty

not to mention Jolly who got himself a premiership medallion

not to mention Jolly who got himself a premiership medallion

Jolly is/was no great shakes. But he went to a team of HARD players, many skilled as well.

Same for Thompson. He's a good, maybe hard player, but he is part of a HARD midfield - gets a chance to show his skills.

Similarly Armstrong. A skilled flanker, but not good enuf for MFC top 35 or so, but good enuf for Eagles top 25. Why? Because he is surrounded by HARD players.

Get the pattern? - with a core of HARD (and skilled) players, skilled players have a role to play.

WE NEED HARD & SKILLED PLAYERS.

Being skilled in the AFL means being able to play contested competitive football to a high level better than the next player. Any player who plays AFL is not soft so I dont see the necessary emphasis on the HARD. Godfrey was hard. He just wasn't up to AFL standard.

Being skilled in the AFL means being able to play contested competitive football to a high level better than the next player. Any player who plays AFL is not soft so I dont see the necessary emphasis on the HARD. Godfrey was hard. He just wasn't up to AFL standard.

Moloney not named in the team for round 2... WHY !!!!!

Moloney not named in the team for round 2... WHY !!!!!

Must really be thinking WTF now.

Must really be thinking WTF now.

Exactly what I thought.

Perhaps they're trying to manage his workload ;o

Being skilled in the AFL means being able to play contested competitive football to a high level better than the next player. Any player who plays AFL is not soft so I dont see the necessary emphasis on the HARD. Godfrey was hard. He just wasn't up to AFL standard.

I think we have a differing opinion here about the meaning of words and about context. I believe there are degrees of hardness. Running out on a football field with a group of men willing to throw themselves into contests is about degrees. People use terms like "hardness" and "intensity" to describe those that throw themselves into the contest week in, week out. This is not done simply when it's "your turn to go", but is in everything you do if your hard and/or intense. People often use the antonym "soft" if your a receiver or outside player which is unfair in your example because all players are out there playing AFL footy and taking risks with their health.

Now, as an example of hard with intensity; wouldn't we like a team of young Kings (Richmond) our boy Jones, Mathews and Viney.

PS. I believe we may have recruited another one in young Cheney and we have one missing in Wheels. We definetly didn't lose one in Travis.

Would I like to see a player with the attributes of Travis and Viney? Yep, there is a Brownlow waiting for them and oh how I wish he was ours.

I think we have a differing opinion here about the meaning of words and about context. I believe there are degrees of hardness. Running out on a football field with a group of men willing to throw themselves into contests is about degrees. People use terms like "hardness" and "intensity" to describe those that throw themselves into the contest week in, week out. This is not done simply when it's "your turn to go", but is in everything you do if your hard and/or intense. People often use the antonym "soft" if your a receiver or outside player which is unfair in your example because all players are out there playing AFL footy and taking risks with their health.

Now, as an example of hard with intensity; wouldn't we like a team of young Kings (Richmond) our boy Jones, Mathews and Viney.

PS. I believe we may have recruited another one in young Cheney and we have one missing in Wheels. We definetly didn't lose one in Travis.

Would I like to see a player with the attributes of Travis and Viney? Yep, there is a Brownlow waiting for them and oh how I wish he was ours.

FWIW I reckon Jones, McLean, Moloney & Sylvia (and Neitz and Whelan) are all tough. The club diagnosed years ago that we lacked hard ball winners in the middle and thus we now have these blokes, to the credit of the recruiting process they were able to address the weakness. However, it does not seem to have paid off like we had hoped.... perhaps because none of them have shown the consistent skill to go along with their hardness in order to really do damage. Furthermore, perhaps this certain 'phenotype?' of player goes hand in hand with a lack of pace and that has now replaced softness as our major weakness. They are all still adequately young and have room for more improvement - but it has to be said that these four horseman, considered as our future midfield, do not look anywhere near becoming the Judd/Cousins/Kerr or Ablett/Bartel/Ling type midfield that is required to win flags

Jolly is/was no great shakes. But he went to a team of HARD players, many skilled as well.

Same for Thompson. He's a good, maybe hard player, but he is part of a HARD midfield - gets a chance to show his skills.

Similarly Armstrong. A skilled flanker, but not good enuf for MFC top 35 or so, but good enuf for Eagles top 25. Why? Because he is surrounded by HARD players.

Get the pattern? - with a core of HARD (and skilled) players, skilled players have a role to play.

No I don't really get your pattern . . .

Armstrong is the only one of the 3 I would say isn't a real tough, in the clinches player.

Thompson is essentially an in an under ball winning midfielder and I can't remember (off the top of my head) a soft ruckman winning a premiership as the #1 ruckman.

I think you need to give both Jolly and Thompson credit where it's due

FWIW I reckon Jones, McLean, Moloney & Sylvia (and Neitz and Whelan) are all tough. The club diagnosed years ago that we lacked hard ball winners in the middle and thus we now have these blokes, to the credit of the recruiting process they were able to address the weakness. However, it does not seem to have paid off like we had hoped.... perhaps because none of them have shown the consistent skill to go along with their hardness in order to really do damage. Furthermore, perhaps this certain 'phenotype?' of player goes hand in hand with a lack of pace and that has now replaced softness as our major weakness. They are all still adequately young and have room for more improvement - but it has to be said that these four horseman, considered as our future midfield, do not look anywhere near becoming the Judd/Cousins/Kerr or Ablett/Bartel/Ling type midfield that is required to win flags

My hope is that Bails knows how to develop/train/educate the hard ball winners into finishers.

I'm sure I didn't see the initial best or the potential in the cats or eagles players you mentioned

Moloney not named in the team for round 2... WHY !!!!!

I'll tell you why - he let Chance Bateman run wild, missed his targets and gave away several stupid free kicks by falling onto the back of his opponent. The only positive is that he's moving freely and he needs to go back to Sandy to learn some defensive skills.